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0: Can you hear me now? 1: Yes. We can. I think 2: we I 1: think we're back. I hope everyone finds the new 1. Is it a whole new 1, or is it just restarted? 3: Yeah. I think it's a whole new 1. I'll post the link now. You can go ahead and take over host 1: Okay. Hopefully, the rest of, rest of the listeners will get back on over here. Full technical issue. They're they're not gonna make this easy on us. That's for sure. So we'll wait a few minutes until, we get some more people joined on because we had quite a few on the other 1. Yes. Yeah. People are, looking for it and they're getting on and saying it's it's Yes. 4: I see some some faces that we know and love. 1: Doctor Ferrella just tried to get on, but she said it said recording. So, hopefully, she finds the new link. Yeah. Someone probably should post them, you know, on Facebook and all that stuff. 4: Yep. Yep. Yep. Yep. Yep. Yep. On it on it, and we'll let people gather. We can talk about, you know, some some other things. 1: Yeah. Keep keep I'm gonna post. 5: Yeah. 1: If if you'll take over for a minute. 4: I am. I will I will talk and do things at the same time. So, you know, so last week, just we we ran through a few stories, and, hopefully, we'll be able to run through a few more stories, this week. I think the more stories we tell, the better. But, another thing we just touched on last week that I hope we can expand on, this week is the courage of some of the doctors that, stood in the gap. So, I heard a statistic. I think it was from doctor McCullough, and I looked into that statistic, and it was so close. It was scary. He had state said he had talked about there's about a million doctors in America and only about 500 plus that stood in the in the gap and carried the load for, like, a million. So 500 plus doctors imagine this carrying the load for 1,000,000 doctors who could have been saving lives. And so all it it just it's it is truly when we say crimes against humanity, I I don't know what illustrates that, really kind of better. But though those 500 plus doctors are tired. Like, they have been for 3 years carrying the load of all of these patients. And I think it would be good as we I see some doctors are joining us if we can spend a little time at some point in this, spaces live, x live is it called x live or Twitter live or Twitter spaces? 1: I don't know. I like Twitter. 4: But in this in this spaces thing, if we can, talk a lot talk a little bit about, you know, what's coming and have the doctors give people some, some direction on how to be prepared and how to just, you know, have a plan and, you know, not just that you know, we always talk about you gotta have your support people. You gotta have you know, just maybe they could talk a little bit about that. But I'd also love to hear some of them talk about, maybe some of the, challenges that they've seen over the last 3 years because, like, we're you know, as as I don't like to call us victims. As you know, I like to call us eyewitnesses to crimes against humanity. I know for, you know, for my, you know, being a survivor and for many people who have lost a loved 1, we've we have a certain amount of emotions and, challenges and things like that over the you know, we're changed forever. I can only imagine that these doctors who've been literally, like, literally persecuted for saving lives, for giving people the same, the same protocol that saved my life once my husband, broke in and and removed me from the ICU. Right? He took me home and he gave me those protocols that these doctors are giving to save my life, and they're being persecuted for it. And it would really be interesting to hear, some of what they've gone through. Like, they're 1: Yes. And doctor Farrell is on. I sent her an invite, to speak. She's 1 of my heroes, favorites. She's been treating COVID patients since the beginning with the correct protocol. 4: Yep. 1: Hopefully, she got my invite to speak. If you hear this, doctor Ferello, I sent you 1 and doctor Locatos too. 4: Paging doctor Ferello to the live spaces, please. Paging doctor Ferello to the live spaces. 1: I'll text her if she doesn't get it. 4: Got people joining. Well, while we're waiting, maybe if you could if there's anybody who okay. So if there's anybody who wants to, speak and talk a little bit about, you know, their story or losing their loved 1 or, just you know, there's a little button. It looks like a microphone, and you just click it, and it says request to speak. 1: Hopefully, doctor Farella got my 4: Yeah. Invite. Yep. Yep. So in the meantime, 2: in 4: the meantime 1: She said she requested. Let's see. They're gonna give us a hard time tonight. 4: Yeah. I don't see it. See it? 1: I just sent another invite. Let's see what you got. 4: See people coming on to speak. 2: K. 4: Nope. And she's wait. I think you did it. I think you did it. I saw something change with no. Doctor Frela still Okay. So, God would like, doctor Frela to speak a little in a little bit when when more people are on, I think. I think that's the gist. So 1: Let me cancel her invite 6: and I'm gonna 7: let you know. 4: Redo it. Also send if you could send Christina invite to be a speaker. I I really wanna hear some things about what's going on in California with, you know, they're kicking butt with the legal stuff. So if you could do that, that'd be great. 1: Yep. 4: If I had the power to do it, I would, but I have no power. I have 0 power. Just the power of speech, which is power. And the power of prayer the power of prayer doesn't get any more powerful than that, actually. Right. 1: We got some people emailing saying they're trying to contact. So I don't know. You know, it's not shocking that 8: Okay. Yeah. 4: You know what? 8: So 1: I'm gonna repost this link on my Twitter in case anybody's talking to anybody that needs to, get on. I'm just gonna post it right to my Twitter too. 4: So, yeah, that's good. So I did that too. So, so if so I see some people have I see, Christina. You know, Christina has the little she's muted. Christina, if you wanna come on and talk a little bit, if you wanna tell little people a little bit about who you are, if they don't already know you from TikTok and other social media social media queen. You wanna tell people who you are, why you're in this fight, and kind of what's going on in California. And and, you know, you guys have the most I think 1 of the most amazing attorneys. Mhmm. On in the I have never met a guy like, I'd have not met Matthew Tyson, but just seeing what he's doing. Talk about courage, man. If you wanna just can you take us through, you know, like, who you are, what you, you know, just how you found him and all this stuff. Just just go at it. 9: Okay. You can hear me. Right? 4: Oh, yeah. Sound 1: you through. Yep. 9: Okay. So, my name is Christina Briones. I'm in California. And to this day, I don't even remember how I found you, CC. No. Because I don't know. I do not know. All I know is that I got ahold of you, because I had a gut feeling that something wasn't right. You know, when my husband died, I knew something was just not it wasn't adding up. And then getting his medical records, I knew that there was definitely it just wasn't right. So after talking to you, you kind of, you know, educated me on what was happening in the hospital, and it confirmed everything that I felt. So I gave my story and all that. And since then, it's been, I've just been, you know, fighting for justice for my husband, Rodney. And I remember a couple months after I gave my story, Cece, you called me and said, you were so, like, you know, emotional and all that, and you said I found you an attorney. And I was like, oh, okay. 1: Yeah. I was proud 8: of it. 5: I was so 9: excited. And so Matthew I text Matthew, the attorney, and, you know, I was pretty much the first case that he picked up, and he's just been the best. I mean, he's so, he's just so professional. He just answers all my questions. He's there for us. I know he's super busy, So when he doesn't respond, I know that he's, you know, he's busy. We've he's been in front of the judge, for my case, several times. So far, everything has been pushed through all, you know, all positive. We've got through the PREP Act, last week well, the eighth. Went in front of the judge for the PREP Act because Kaiser's trying to use that, to protect their doctors. Well, that didn't fly, so we got through that. Going to court again on August September 1, the judge wants to know more about the doctors. So we're gonna do that. And then, yeah, everything's been going through. I mean, everything's been good so far. So for this, you know, that, oh, everybody's protected by the PREP Act. No. They're not. 1: Right. He's gotten creative and found a way around that by using constructive fraud instead of the med mal. And most states, not in all, but most states, it has a longer statute of limitations as well. Because the fiduciary, aka the doctor Mhmm. Has a, duty to let the the patient or the patient's caregiver know what they're putting in their bodies. So, you know, they're not disclosing anything. You know, they're not only not getting consent, sometimes they're going against the patient's consent or the family's consent. So, you know, we're not just people that can be experimented on. I mean, you the doctor, the we have to know what's going in and have a choice what's going in our bodies. Mhmm. And, yes, thank god these judges are seeing it that way as well. Mhmm. 9: And I had no clue what Rodney was given. I knew nothing about Remdesivir. I was 1 of the ones that did not know about it. They never said, you know, we're gonna give him this or that. They just gave him whatever they wanted, that on top of 65 5 other medications. And, they just used him as a guinea pig and, you know, treated him like shit. And so, you know, I know their the only justice is gonna be if my husband came home, but that's not gonna happen. So just some accountability. You know? And Yeah. It's yeah. 1: Yeah. We talked about how it's kind of a bittersweet thing. Yeah. You know, you're excited to found an attorney, and then you're gonna go after the hospital, but it's it's like you can't put a price tag or a number on what you can cover that's worth your loved one's life. Mhmm. That's just not suitable. But that in our justice system, that's the way we have to we have to get them. You know, we have to put them in the wallet and where it hurts. And at least, you know, that shows that they're guilty when they're having to cough up, you know, money and stuff. But, yeah, it's a bittersweet kinda feeling. I mean, because, you mean, what what's not insulting for them to offer? You know? Yeah. There's not a Yeah. There's not a but, you know, it's as for what we're working with right now, that's that's what we have to do. Yeah. But I'm so proud of you, sure you've been so strong and such a warrior for this cause and just working that social media like like a professional media. 4: I love your heart for other widows and just you reaching them. Like, nobody I can't tell you how many times I've been on a, an interview, you know, interviewing somebody who came to us, and I say, how did you find, you know, former feds in the COVID humanity betrayal memory project? And they're like, well, there was this lady on TikTok. And I was like and I'll be like, Christina Baronez. And they're like, that's her. And so, you know, who thought any like, you know, we're we're all grandparents. You're like, right? And it's like, oh, we're like you're you're like a like a grandmother, TikTok, you know, influencers. Is that what they call them? Influencers. So, like 1: She's famous on the social media. 4: Great. And and I know that you and Ginny, whom I love so much, both of you, have offered like, you even, you know, meet, have meetings in your houses and have just given these women and men so much spiritual guidance and so much love and support to give them the courage to tell their stories and to fight back. And I just admire both of you so much. 10: Thank you. 1: Doctor Frela is on now, so I wanted to hear her a little bit because you were asking. What were you asking? What was it like for 7: the doctors? 4: I'd like to I'd like to have some of the doctors talk about, you know, like, what it's been like for them being being under the thumb of really under the the thumb of the government and just, you know, just yeah. Just the threats and the and what it it had to have taken so much moral courage to stand up and do the right thing and to carry the load for a million doctors, you know, the few, you know, the 500 plus. What does it feel like to be like 1 of those doctors and and the, you know, the good, the bad, and the ugly around what it's been like? 1: Doctor Farella, can you unmute yourself? Let's see if I can unmute you. You have to do it. This 7: is doctor Farella. 1: Oh, hi. Did you hear Gail's question? 11: Hello? 12: Yep. 1: Yeah. I hear you. Okay. Did 11: you hear 1: Gail's question? 7: I'm doctor Farella. I'm 1 of the pediatricians in, Texas. And, basically, honestly, I didn't have time to even think about it. Like, I just knew that that there was something to be done and that you had to take care of patients. And I I couldn't understand why other people's club you know, other people's clinics were closed. Mine never closed. I couldn't understand why that was even happening because to me, I'm like, that's what we trained for. This is this is the quote, unquote disaster that we all trained for. And, really, for me, I didn't understand why people were sucking their thumb and hiding in a corner. Like, that just did not make sense to me if you were a physician. It it was a shame. And so, you know, long long story short, I start seeing adults. I really didn't look up to breathe until about 9 months into it, because I was just busy. You know? I was just doing what I was doing, trying to save lives. You know, we it was myself and 1 other physician, and we were on telemedicine all across the nation. And we took care the 2 of us took care of 1,600 people within, I think, 3 months or something ridiculous. And it was on weekends. It was on nights. It was during the day. I mean, it was it was nonstop. And if it wasn't us taking patients, it was someone texting us or calling us in regards to somebody they knew, and could you help them, and the whole kit and caboodle. So, honestly, you know, the threats didn't show up until about a year later, when, you know, we started getting these crazy, propaganda letters in our email or whatever from different boards that said, you know, if if you don't, you know, do this and, you know, you're looking at a possible board decertification. Of course, I was like, who cares? Like, that that's not taking my license. That's just taking my board certification, which frankly, I could give a flip about. And then, you know, which a lot of people don't understand that. Like, it's a board certification. Yeah. Okay. There's a lot of identity with your board certification. But, honestly, at the end of the day, I've also been 1 of those renegades over the last decade or so against MOC, which is the maintenance of certification. I think it's ridiculous. It's, it's a money grab. I, dropped my fellowship at the American Academy of Pediatrics probably back in 2008 or '9 or something, like, way back in the day because they were just it was a racket. And it was it was very upsetting. They wanted me to track my patients. They wanted me to do a lot of things that I thought were unconstitutional. You know, dipping into their privacy, which I thought there's no reason why we should even be recording this kind of information. You know? And and it's all about agenda pushing. Right? And, back then, it was a lot about gun control. And and, you know, I live in I live literally right next to Ellington Field, which is a multi a multibase. You know? Like so we have navy, army, everything there. And, you know, so a great and I've been a TRICARE preferred provider for 20 plus years. So, you know, lots and lots of my patients are actually military families, which then, of course, a lot of them go into law enforcement. And I'm like, I am not qualified to, you know, even even broach this subject. Never mind. You know? Because then you're setting yourself up for liability. Yeah. We live in the great state of Texas where you know? Do I need to even explain that? But it's like, come on. I'm not doing it. I'm not gonna sit there, and I I refuse 1: to do it, so I just wouldn't. 7: And so things like that were were were that was over 10 years ago. So when you're looking back at things now, like, with, you know, me looking retrospectively, I was like, oh, man. I can't believe I didn't see that. Like, I I knew, and I rebelled against it as an individual and, you know, took myself out of these positions. But I I also and I saw it even in the hospitals, and that's why I left the hospitals. I left academia in '99. Kind of the same issue is they were trying 11: to dictate to me what 7: I could and couldn't do for my patient, which didn't make any sense to me again. And so, you know, I guess you just have to be secure in yourself and understand what you're doing and understand that our profession as physicians is to me, it's not a job. Okay? I I put, you know, 12 years of training into this, quote, unquote, job, which is not a job. It's a calling. And so, you know, I was called to do this. This is something that I feel that that had an absolute divine hand on me becoming a physician. I'm, you know, the daughter of an immigrant to this country via a POW camp in Nazi Germany. I mean, come on. Really? This is this is totally the American dream in reality right now. And and then, of course, you know, that was those types of things were drummed in my head, like never forget. Never forget. And so you have to understand, I come from a different perspective with that. And I just I would not bow down to someone telling me, especially without an authority. They a lot of these people, you know, they they're not my practice. They don't know what I do. And, you know, they have absolutely no right to tell me that I'm I could write a prescription on a napkin and a pharmacist is supposed to fill it. And it's because of authority. It's my authority. And then when when, you know, a pharmacist so, you know, how did I fight back? Well, I could tell you, you know, a pharmacist refused to fill my prescriptions. I know. Shocking, surprising. And so I literally got on the phone, and, I said, okay. I need to know your pharmacy license number. I need to know your full name. I need to know who which branch you're with right now. I said, oh, I don't need your branch. I know exactly where you are, because I I was sending in the prescription. And I said, I said, so take note of who I am, what my name is, what my license number, my d e you have it all in front of you. I said, because I know what you're gonna do. You're gonna report me, so guess what? I'm reporting you too. And that and I said, because you're denying my patient life saving medication, and if this patient dies, I'm just gonna let you know right here and right now your butt's on the grill because I'm putting you there right away, and you're losing your life. 4: I'm like, 7: you have to stand up to these people because they're freaking fools, and they're they're cowards. And and I think that's the big thing that these doctors didn't understand is that we had so much power, and they were they were silly 1: babies 7: sucking their thumb in a corner. 4: I love you. 1: I love that you said that 4: because if every doctor would have done that with the pharmacist, those pharmacists would have folded like lawn chairs. And and 7: Well, take the second to call another pharmacy. I mean, what I did, I literally walked into my local compound and pharmacy. I literally did this. I swear to you I did. I walked into the pharmacy, and I said, may I speak to the pharmacist? And he's standing there. He says, yes, sir. I said, do you have any problems filling, certain medications? I mean, right here, right now, I need to know what medications am I deny are you gonna deny me of of filling? And the guy's looking at me like I'm crazy. He goes, I don't know what you're talking about. And I said, okay. Good. I said, because I'm about to send a whole lot of people your way because we're gonna save the world in our little community. And he just looked at me like, what? And I said, yeah. Are you ready to save a whole bunch of people? Because you're my partner. And, like, so so I personally walked into these pharmacies, and I said, are you with me or not? Because if you're against me, that's fine. If you're with me, not only are you gonna be doing the right thing, but you're gonna be making a really nice living out of it. 2: That's right. 7: So, you know, I I hit them in the economic pocketbook. 1: Yeah. Angie, so And I 7: think people don't understand that, you you know, not every doctor is willing to do that. I get that. You know? But but that's that's the difference. That's why I don't I don't look at my job job as a JOB. It's not. And so I'm willing to take that extra step. I'm willing to go that extra mile, and I've always been that way. I mean, I'm not tooting my own horn. I'm just saying this is the way I thought it was supposed to be. Right. It it you know, I don't feel like I'm special. It's just this is what I thought this is what it meant to be a doctor. 1: Doctor Farella, so did you know right from 4: the get 1: go that remdesivir was the wrong treatment? Did you ever think that that this protocol that they started pushing out was the right treatment? You knew right from the get go that Remdesivir was the wrong treatment for COVID? Hey. 11: I I 8: don't know if I'm 7: I don't know if I'm just I 12: can't help. Yeah. 2: Can you 9: hear me? 11: Are you guys there? 7: Okay. Sorry. 1: Okay. Yeah. I was asking if you knew from the from the 7: feel like I'm disconnected or I'm going someone's blocking. 4: We can hear you. 7: Oh, okay. Okay. Okay. 0: Because I'm, 2: like, 1: I'm not sure. Okay. Ask my question. 4: So so Stacy was asking if you, knew knew from the get go that remdesivir was the wrong treatment for COVID patients. And, yeah. So that's the first question. 7: Okay. So so I did a deep dive when I so in November of 20 19, actually, I heard about 10 people in a small province of Wuhan, China having a SARS CoV 1 like illness. This is in November. It was on our it was on actually, on our local news. And so my hackles went up, and I said to my husband, we're in trouble. We're 1 plane ride away from disaster. So I started doing a deep dive on the SARS CoV 1 and its treatment. And so as I and, you know, I'm an outpatient physician. And so basically and, of course, I do pee. So, I was just looking to be I wanted my arsenal to be full. I just wanted to make sure I I knew how to treat people that were coming in. If they had this thing, how can I best support them? How can I best treat them? So when I looked it up, I did see remdesivir, but it's an IV formulation. As an outpatient provider, I was like, I'm not doing IVs. That's not gonna be an option for me. Okay. So it really wasn't a safety issue at that point because I just basically narrowed down what can I do orally versus IV? And then I went into, hydroxychloroquine popped up, and I've you know, first, it was it was hydroxychloroquine. And so which made total sense to me. So I was like, oh, this makes sense. You know, river blindness, parasites, rheumatoid arthritis, anti inflammatory, this this makes sense. SLE, the whole kit and caboodle. So, I just started, you know I didn't start with adults. I had that on my list. Now you have to understand, in pediatrics, we deal with asthma. I knew it was a respiratory illness, so guess what I'm gonna do? I'm gonna treat it just like asthma. So I called my, durable medical equipment companies, and I said, load me up with nebulizers. I'm gonna need nebulizers. So, really, if you looked at me the wrong way, I was gonna give you a nebulizer and start using nebulization with either with albuterol, which is a bronchodilator, and budesonide, which we in pediatrics, we use budesonide all the time. So to me, that's just my right arm, arsenal there. I was also gonna use antivirals because I wasn't sure at that point because nothing's coming out. Right? There's no protocols for outpatient treatment. So I said, you know what? I'm just gonna use antivirals. I'm gonna use Zofluza, which is for influenza. I started using amantadine, which is an antiviral for influenza a. And I said, you know, we're just gonna we're just gonna wing it. We're gonna see what happens using these 2 flu medications if necessary. 2: Okay? 7: And then if I suspected bacterial, I was gonna use azithromycin because that's what we do. Okay? So for me, I was just doing, you know, business as usual, to be honest. I mean, none of these protocols that came out were revolutionary to me. You have to understand In pediatrics, we use these 3 meds all the time. So and I know they're safe, and I know they're effective, and I didn't have to really worry about it. I also reached out to an internal medicine, family medicine doc who was on Facebook reading a letter to the public, about he that he had a protocol to help patients before they got to the hospital. And so I I Facebook messaged this guy who I didn't know, and I gave him my cell phone number. I said, hey. I really wanna help you out in case of emergency, you know, and I have to treat adults. I do kids, but, you know, hey. I'm willing to help because there's no kids sick. Like, there was no 1 coming in the office. The kids weren't sick. They were breaking bones because they were out of school, but they weren't sick, which was great. And I was doing cartwheat. So and I knew they weren't gonna get sick because if you looked at the data from SARS CoV 1, we knew that children in the household were not getting sick even if the adults were. So I'm like, oh, kids are a buffer. This is great because kids catch colds all the time. Coronaviruses are very common in cold you know, in upper respiratory cold. So to me, I was like, okay. But I still want to fill that arsenal. Right? So I reached out to this guy. He calls me back, and it's doctor Brian Proctor out of McKinney, Texas near Dallas. And he says, let me give you the protocol, and I want you to give it to any doctor who's willing to listen. I said, okay. So I called a couple of my friends, and I'm like, hey. I have this protocol. Are you interested? And some of them were like, no. Nah. And I and I kinda wigged out on them. I was like, are you kidding me? You're not gonna treat a sick patient in front of you? Like, why would you not do this? So I sent protocols whether they asked for them or not, down to, like, friends and people, you know, other physicians. And I'm like, just, hey. At least have it in case you need it. Because if you don't need it, great. But if you need it, here it is. And I would just pass it out. Now you have to also realize that vitamin d was not a revolutionary idea to me either because all of my asthmatics for, I don't know, the last 15 years or so have been on vitamin d supplementation because a study came out probably 25 years ago that said the higher a person's vitamin d level, the lower the likelihood of an upper respiratory or lower respiratory infection. So it's an inverse proportion. So I'm like, cool. I'm gonna put everyone on vitamin d. If you look back on 1 of my Facebook posts, I did Facebook live videos back in February of 20 20, and I was telling people how to bone up their immune system. And I was just like, this is what you do. And I I mentioned probiotics and vitamin d and fish oil, co q 10, vitamin c. You know? So I went through this whole big litany of how to protect yourself, get outside, breathe, exercise your lungs, don't sit sit in a dark room, you know, the whole kit and caboodle. And so, so, you know, remdesivir was not really my issue at all because I knew I was doing outpatient. I also was using something, a homeopathic, IV medication that I got from Germany, but through our physician ordering sort services, and it was working brilliantly in the IV. And, and I was excited because it started to work on people that were super duper sick. It was really turning people around. And so I went to reorder, and it was on back order. So I called the company, which is on the East Coast, and I said, hey. I really need a bunch of this. And she said, we're sorry. The FDA has blocked its import importation. 1: Oh my gosh. 7: And so we don't know when it's gonna be allowed back in the country. Chances are that it's not gonna be allowed in. So again, then then I'm like, oh, of course, they're not gonna let this in because it works. 4: Yeah. Because 7: it worked. Right? So they're gonna try to tie our hands at every single pretty much at every impasse. They were gonna try to do something, you know, behind our backs or whatever. You know? It was the same thing with NEC. Remember, endocyclicine, what, 2 summers ago. Right? 1: They were 4: they were gonna control the supply, like, as soon as they realized it was it was helping. And, you know, we see that in, you know, the almost a thousand stories now that we've received of protocol victims or survivors. It's the, if something works if something works, they will stop doing it, or if something works, it'll get blocked. Even in, like, my own story 2: Right. 4: I remember when the doctor finally relented and gave me budesonide, as you said, they've been giving it to kids forever. And infants. They give it to preemies, for heaven's sakes. And as soon as they realized that the budesonide was I was improving, they stopped it. They aborted all of it, and we had such a hard time fighting. And once my family got me home, budesonide 1 of the things that saved my life. 1: Yeah. So it used to Yeah. 7: I mean, this you have to understand, like, from my point viewpoint, right, I would I am used to talking directly to a hospital doctor, an ER doc, or or an inpatient physician when I'm passing my patient over. Okay? And, it was the first time that I started to realize I can't trust my colleague, and that was very upsetting. That was truly it was it was rocking my world that I didn't know who I could trust. I didn't know I didn't know what I was gonna do with these poor patients, you know, because there's there's a point of exhaustion. Like, I cannot watch these people 24 7, 7 days a week, every few hours to check-in on them to make sure they're doing the right thing. We're relying on people who are not medical, like their family members who are scared to death, who don't know what to do, and it's not their fault. Okay? Yeah. And so so so a lot of and and they'll panic, and they send their kid they send their patient to the, their family member, their loved 1 to the ER. They are blocked at the door, and it's like c'est la vie. Right? And so this happened to my cousin, to a first cousin of mine, in another state. And, I got on the phone with the ICU doctor on a daily basis and literally lost my cool every single day. 12: Right. 7: And and I just could not believe I got on the phone with a resident, and I said, you need to, right here and right now, forget about ever becoming a physician. Like, what you are doing, you are killing patients right now because you're not doing anything that makes sense. You are not doing anything that you learned about in med school. You are not doing anything except following a checkbox protocol, and this is dangerous. Not every patient in front of you follows a protocol. You have to think outside the box. That's why you're you are a physician. 4: That's right. I 7: mean, I Evident. You have to understand this. This is this is what just blew my mind Yeah. Is that we you know, you might try something. Here's the thing. You know? Of course, lots of states have right to try legislation. They were ignoring that. They were ignoring HIPAA. They were ignoring, what they call the LMPs, which are LMDs, which are the local medical doctors that might know these people that actually were trying to help them. Right. I mean, we just I mean, I they eventually killed my cousin. They killed her. 11: Right. 7: They they killed her in the hospital. She they intubated her. Her o 2 stats were 93%, and they intubated her for transport and then canceled the transport. I mean, this is criminal. 4: Right. It is very much. It is very much. So, like, you know, I always talk like, from my perspective, I know exactly what you're talking about. I am a survivor, and we literally had a 6 hour police standoff before my when my husband my husband stormed the ICU with my daughter. We had a 6 hour standoff and 6 police officers in the hallway trying to prevent them from taking me home and saving my life. They told they told my family that I was beyond help. They needed to let me go. My lungs were shot. I was gonna need a a transplant. I did. I can do 45 minutes on the elliptical, a hundred laps in my pool. There's no way in hell I was on death's door. So No. And and 7: this is this is the point. This is exactly the point is that there's medical malfeasance. 4: Yes. 7: There was there was a there was a tone across the country, and I've I've talked to lots and lots of victims myself. And and trust me, I mean, my heart goes out to you people, honest to god. Like, it breaks my heart every time I hear a story because, I mean, I lived it. I lived it for over 10 days. And, you know, I I got on the phone, and I was trying to talk sense into the physicians as a peer, as a peer to them. Like, what are you doing? This is not working. They didn't even have an IV in her, and she hadn't eaten in 10 days. 4: Yeah. 7: I mean, this this is cruel. That's right. This is worse than being in solitary confinement in prison. 1: And, you 7: know, she's intubated. She can't eat, and you don't give her fluid. Like, this does not. I they just they purposefully made all of her organs fail. That's what you do. 4: I went I went 13 days without nutrition and 7 days without water, and, it was horrendous. And, like and you spoke at our rally, if you remember me, I was the I was the terrible timekeeper, and you were very you were very passionate. And so, so I do wanna there's couple doc other doctors on, and I wanna get their take, but I wanna ask you 1 fine I wanna ask you 1 more question because so you see doctor Witcher is on and and doctor Lukatos and a few doctors here. What did you think when doctors were helping patients with ivermectin and then they started getting like, there literally was, like, an attack on these doctors that previously had been, you know, held in such as such high esteem and then, bam, there was this attack on them for An 1: attack on ivermectin as well 7: as anti american. Yeah. 0: Yeah. What 4: was your what were you what was that kind 2: of? I 1: think we're losing your video audio, Angie. 4: See, dang it. The FBI does not want us to talk about ivermectin. 5: Her her her audio. 7: We're just doing the same thing except 4: There you go. 7: Adapting if it's getting worse or whatever. So ivermectin seemed to knock it out a little bit faster, but a lot of our patients still needed multiple drug therapies. Some of our patients needed hydroxychloroquine and ivermectin. So so and and budesonide and vitamin d, like, everything. So we were throwing the kitchen sink at people outpatient wise to keep them. Once we realized we could not trust our our our fellow, physicians in the hospitals. 2: Mhmm. 7: We just did everything possible. I mean, a a local doc and I, we then we said, you know what? We're gonna open up, like, a a continuous care clinic where we're gonna use her staff and my staff and, like, take turns watching a critical patient overnight, you know, or for 4 or 6 hours in our clinic. So so a lot of us became really ingenuitive. But that was that's because the acuity of the patients were getting worse. Like, they were getting sicker faster. We were having hard times managing them as outpatients, which, you know, this was this was all part of the plan. Right? You know, you start, it wasn't so big, and then they have to keep throwing stuff at us. And and, so ivermectin became 1 of our we knew that it was gonna work. Again, if you look at certain studies, this stuff was out. You know? And it's out in medical studies. I checked it in, veterinary studies, actually. And, and I was like, cool. You know? It it works. I called actually a veterinary pharmacist I know, and I said, hey. Can I buy a bunch off of you to give in my office? And she thought I was crazy, but I didn't care. You know? When you're desperate, you just don't care. You're like, I have to save people, and this is what I'm gonna do if I have to. Luckily, again, I went to my compounding pharmacist, and and and we pushed through, and we made it we made it happen. So, you know, again, ivermectin ivermectin works great, you know, throughout the entire pandemic. We're still using it to this day for different things. And I I just you know, now we're adapting to the post what I call the post, apocalypse. Right? We're we're dealing now with all the secondary problems. And so not just from COVID, but also from their their horrible push on the American public scaring the crap out of them and giving them a faulty, jab that's not a vaccine, but they call it that to protect themselves again, which, you know, I think we're making headway with that, you know, again, because it it's not it wasn't a vaccine. It was never designed to be a vaccine, and it was never and they knew this. They knew this since 1994. This is not new information for them. They knew. And so we just have to prove it, and and they're gonna drag their feet and try to block us, but we're gonna be persistent and consistent, and and we're gonna push through this. And, you know, the Freedom Doctors, are really we're banding together. We get together every couple of months. You know, we're gonna have a a conference in November. I'm excited because about a hundred or more of us will get together, and we're gonna share this. But not only are we gonna share this, but what we're gonna do now is we're fighting back. Now we're going we're getting together, we're organizing, and we're fighting back. Because this is not gonna happen again, not on our watch. 4: Yeah. I So 7: I just wanna assure those people that too. 1: Yeah. We need more of you guys. We definitely need more of you guys and, like, doctor Whitcher stood up for stood up for freedom and and and medical medical freedom and got fired over it. But, you know, because he didn't wouldn't use the remdesivir. And he wanted to use ivermectin and hydroxychloroquine. 4: Yeah. But and Thank you for being 1 of the heroes. 1: And Yes. Thank you, doctor Froler. 4: And doctor Witcher, I see you're on. If you if you want to unmute, I would love for you to, run for president. You know, I'm sure you're tired of the campaign trail. But, you're a hero and we I would love to hear from you in terms of I had asked the doctors, you know, like, kinda what what it's been like the last 3 years, you know, just fighting this battle, this outrageous battle and being attacked for saving lives. And I know you have gone to bat and done so much and saved so many, and you've just been an absolute warrior in this fight. So if you'd like to share some of your experience and some things that you think people should know going forward, I'd love to listen to you. I could listen to you all night, but go ahead. 13: Yeah. So is this Cece? 4: This is Gail. Cece is the other 1 that's talking. 13: Okay. Alright. Hey, Gail. Hey. So yeah. So, so, yeah, I'm just thank thank thanks for inviting me to this, and, appreciate all you guys. And, good hearing Angela there. And, yeah, I look forward to to being with everybody in person and and just networking and giving each other strength because that's you know I mean, this is, it's been a battle. No doubt. And, but, yeah, my my journey started I was, the medical director of a little hospital, a rural hospital in Mississippi. And, you know, I was doing probably like it seemed like whatever all the other ER doctors and hospitalist doctors in our area was doing, and that was given hydroxychloroquine, vitamin d, and zinc, and azithromycin were our mainstays. And, you know, I treated some of the very first COVID patients in Mississippi and with good results with those medications. And then suddenly, you know, hydroxychloroquine got vilified. And, you know, I think it was, you know, of course, when president Trump mentioned it and, etcetera. So very quickly, my hospital administration decided, to take hydroxychloroquine, basically, out of out of our formulary. And so, I, the pharmacist, I didn't you know, I I kept doing it and, kept giving those medications. And the pharmacist came to me and said, you know, we really can't use this medication anymore for COVID. And I said, well, you know, I'm gonna continue to use it. It's working well. And, you know, there was some mention about using, hydroxychloroquine azithromycin. In combination, it could cause a prolonged, PR interval or whatever, QT interval. And we were doing EKGs, and I didn't I had 1 patient that, would could possibly had had a problem there, and so I actually, you know, took them off. But for the most part, I saw no problems, and so I I continued it. And then, the, administration pretty much sent out a blanket memo email to, I guess, all the doctors. And we're I I was contracted through a company that contracted to that hospital. It's it's a very, very large company. Probably staffs, I think they claim they have 70,000 employees, and they staff, in hundreds of hospitals all across The United States, mostly with the ER doctors and some hospitalists. But in my little world, ER, hospital setting, I was, the the the medical director of the ER and the hospitalist program. It's kind of a combined program in these little hospitals. And so, I would see them in the ER, then admit them, and and we would round on them, you know, in the hospital setting as well. And so, but, anyway, so, yeah, we got the memo, and I had to decide, do I wanna keep my job or or or or not use hydroxychloroquine? And so I I made decision not to use hydroxychloroquine. And, but, you know, I I I felt like I was gonna keep a close eye on the patients. And and, certainly, I knew I think everybody knew early on not to intubate these patients. Whatever you do, do your best not to intubate them. And so that's certainly what I I was doing. At our hospital, we didn't have an intensive care unit. So if you had to intubate a patient, we had to transfer them to another hospital. And so, our goal was was certainly not to intubate the patient. Of course, there was times when I would go home and, another doctor would be on call or whatever, be rounding on my patients, and, they would intubate them and transfer them. I'd get back the next day, and they'd be gone. And so, you know, it was, it was a battle. But, but then, shortly when they took the hydroxychloroquine off of our hospital formulary, then they instituted remdesivir. Right? And, I I can remember I went to that same pharmacist, and I just said, you know, I mean, I think everybody knows remdesivir has a bad track record. Why why would we use this? And he said, well, you know, this is the the new protocol coming from the federal government, and this is what, you know, our hospital has we'll in the hospital setting, this this hospital was, is owned. It's a corporate hospital setting, and they have, 20 something hospitals under 1 umbrella. And, and 11 of them are in Mississippi, and this hospital I was at is probably this 1 of the smallest hospitals they have. But but long story short, it was a corporate decision. I told the pharmacist, I said, you know, I just I asked him point blank. I said, just I I just wanna know. What what are we billing for remdesivir? And he said $3,200. And he didn't tell me if that per dose or or for a 5 day dose or whatever. But that's all I needed to know because, I mean, hydroxychloroquine, you know, the hospital wasn't making any money off of it. And so I've I just felt like it was, you know, fully for, you know, for financial incentives while they use Robizbir. But, anyway, I went along with it for a while, and then, you know, finally, once I, you know, I brought doctor Peter McCullough to town to speak, and that was really about the vaccines, you know, that, they were not fit for human use at that point. This was in October of 21 when it when he came to Mississippi and spoke to about 500 folks there at the Hilton. And, of course, we invited all of our politicians from our governor to our lieutenant governor, all the senators, legislators. We invited our state health officer at the time, doctor Thomas Stobbs. He was the he was, the doctor Fauci in Mississippi that pushed the COVID shots. He vilified ivermectin, hydroxychloroquine, etcetera, etcetera. He was totally a doctor Fauci. And, so but nobody showed up except for 1 senator and 1, representative in the state. And at least that's the ones that that acknowledge they were there, and, there could have been some others there that we didn't know about. But, anyway, nobody came to to talk or debate or have a roundtable discussion with doctor Peter Peter McCullough. But, anyway, shortly thereafter, you know, I I I started talking with doctor Peter and, other doctors around Mississippi that we got grouped together. And and, you know, I I just ivermectin at that point was the drug to use. I mean, it early COVID, mid COVID, and late COVID. And so I, you know, if you remember, the Delta variant came came through, and it it went by around November. We didn't have any more COVID patients. And we, you know, we didn't know if it if that was it or what. I mean, we didn't know about the Omicron at that point. And so I had had a very, very good friend that was in his early fifties that went into a hospital setting. We couldn't get to him, and he died. They intubated him and and put him on remdesivir, and he died. And so that really was my final wake up call. I was like, you know, if I get any more COVID patients, I'm not gonna put them on remdesivir, and I'm gonna put them on and, really, the math plus protocol that doctor Paul Merrick and Pierre Kory of the FLCCC, organization had put together. I mean, these are critical care specialists, pulmonologists. They had used these medications with great success, and so I talked with doctor Peter McCullough and, other doctors around the state. And I just made the decision. If if we have any more COVID patients at our little hospital, I was gonna use this math plus protocol. And that's so I showed up on, I think it was December 2021. We had 3 new COVID patients that had been admitted through the ER to the hospital. And so I went rounded on them, talked with each 1 of them, pulled them off of, protocols at the hospital, automatically put them on, which is remdesivir and few other things. And then I instituted the math plus protocol, put them on the high dose steroids, thiamine, vitamin c, and, had them on good blood thinners. And then, we didn't have ivermectin in the hospital, so I called a local pharmacist. He said, oh, yeah. I love ivermectin. I've used it, etcetera. All my family works well. I had never used ivermect at that point. Even you know? I didn't do any outpatient treatments. I was just doing, you know, ER and and the hospital, stuff. So, so, anyway, the, so I I attempt you know, he brought I actually prescribed for these 3 patients. He brought it over. As I was going down the hallway to discuss the the with the patients and talk to them about the ivermectin, I got a phone call and basically said just, you know, the higher ups are done with you. Don't come back. That's that's what I was told. And so, they they sent me a letter 2 weeks. Of course, they cut me out of the computer, so I couldn't couldn't even see the patients the next day when I tried to see what they how they were doing. And so, anyway, they they sent me a certified letter a couple weeks later or a week or so later and said that they terminated my contract without claw without calls and that, you know, everything was fine. They just didn't need me anymore. And so, you know, that's you know, I'm trying to you know, I have a, lawyer and, you know, we're looking at that because, ultimately, you know, ultimately, you know, they interfered with my patient care. And, that was something in the contract that says, you know, I'm I'm the doctor and, you know, I have full, authority over the care of the patients. And so, ultimately, you know, Baptist or the hospital I won't mention the name, but I guess I just did. It was Baptist Hospital System. But they they put out a statement because, you know, I've met me I was already, you know, pretty well, out there in the media from from being against the co COVID vaccines. You know, I had never gave anybody the COVID vaccines. Had been had been, you know, an alarm to say that, hey. There's a risk involved here. You know, I'm seeing injured patients in the ER. We we don't you know, our our state health officer, doctor Thomas Dobbs, he reported to the public that they were super duper safe. And so I said, well, I I can't say that because, I mean, I'm seeing patients that are injured. So, anyway, that that got me on the radar all over, you know, the state, TV, and whatever. They called me the anti vaxxer, that I was a threat to public health, etcetera. So when got contacted while they while I was released, you know, Baptist put out a statement and said that they only abide by, you know, FDA guidelines that only treat patients core accordingly. And so that was kind of the you know, even though they never admitted that they let me go because I was trying to give them ivermectin, that was ultimately why they released me because I wouldn't give Remdesivir, and I I wanna give, you know, ivermectin. So, anyway, that's still in in the, you know, being, looked at with with my lawyer. But, of course, with the with doctor Bowden and, Paul Merrick and the other doctor that's suing the FDA, I'm hoping that's gonna gonna come out, you know, and set a good precedence. And all these doctors like myself that were well, you know, the 1 way or the other for giving Ivermectin you know, have a case. But, anyway, so that that's where I'm at. You know? I'm I know once I got released from the hospital, it was the it was a blessing in disguise. So I I started going out and treating COVID patients at home and me and I had some very, very sick patients, and I know for a fact ivermectin works. The very, very sick patients, I use combination of ivermectin and hydroxychloroquine. Of course, I use the other things, the blood thinners, the steroids, the budesonide breathing treatments, you know, all the things that, the vitamin c, d, zinc, and, even some carcinogens at times. But all those combination and I I brought the I mean, I had some, I mean, some some extremely ill patients that definitely would have been intubated and put on Remdesivir as soon as they walked into the hospital setting, and probably most of them would have died. And so I was able to bring them through. Of course, I I did have to rig up ways to give them oxygen. Some of them needed needed high dose oxygen at home, but I was able to do that, get them through it, and, and they survived. And so I'm a I'm a big I know these medications work without a doubt. And so even though our state health officer, he he continued on and on vilifying ivermectin, hydroxychloroquine, and pushed the shots at all costs. He eventually got, he he resigned. Of course, you know, he was hailed as a hero and given another big state job, but but really and truly, 1 of our doctors in our group, doctor Carol Hill, found some got a foyer request, found emails where he he basically there was a doctor in NIPI Robert Corcoran and his colleagues, and they had treated thousands and thousands of COVID patients with 0 deaths using ivermectin, hydroxychloroquine, all the supplements, etcetera. And, he wanted to publish all that to this in our state medical journal so all the doctors could see it. And he got vilified by this doctor Thomas Dobbs that silenced him. And so we brought that out publicly on the radio and gave it all out to our politicians. And I think that's why he was forced to resign. But once again, he didn't get reprimanded. He just got held as a hero and given another big state job. So we're not done there. We're still you know, of course, you you guys came to town in, in February with doctor Peter McCullough, etcetera. And so we had those hearings, had vaccine injured there, and we've got that information to our attorney general Fitch. Of course, she is she's been sitting on it, and we we've got to press her. And, it's a fight. It's it's still a fight. It's a battle, but, you know, we're not giving up. 4: Wow. Well, we I mean, I can't I can't tell you how much we appreciate you being in this fight and just so fiercely in it. I mean, I know out of many doctors, you, yeah, you certainly have put 0: it all on the line 4: for people. Like, you you you know? Yeah. You've you've you've been such a hero, and, I'm sure we're gonna have questions for you if you if you're able to stick around. I I wanted to touch on something. You talked a little bit about Vaxxin, and I see Sally Saxon is on too. And, 1 of the things that, you know, people were killed in these hospitals with these protocols or, in my case, you know, attempted to be be killed in these hospitals. And it was all for really I mean, it was for money, but a lot of it was to to strike fear in the hearts of many to go and get, an experimental tainted shot. And and people did that out of either fear or, you know, threat of losing their job or some all these different things that they had to do to make people run down, roll up their sleeve, and get something that's experimental and to drag their children down. And we are seeing such mass carnage, you know, so many people injured, so many people dying. And I don't know. Maybe Sally can unmute and and talk a little bit about that. 1: Yeah. Because they were killing I mean, they would had a different protocol if you were unvaccinated. They wanted to know right when you walked in the door if you were vaccinated or not. 2: Yeah. Yeah. 4: So, I 2: got on the, the, call, late here, so I I wasn't, sure what you you've covered, before, John Witcher spoke. But, yeah, I think, you know, for those of, who don't know me, I was a lead author on a book called COVID-nineteen vaccines and beyond, what the medical industrial complex is not telling us and, that was a book, Doctor. Jim Thorpe and Doctor. Deb Biglione were my collaborating authors, you know, on that book and, yeah, you know what struck me, 1 of the things that struck me as I was doing research for it and writing was, was that on on virtually every single point, which the, you know, the powers that be could either lie, or manipulate the data, cover up the data, or just make something up, or you know, whatever. On every single point along the the way that they could do that, they did. You know, if I were I'm a former attorney. If I were playing devil's advocate, I know, like, I could have come up with nearly as many ways to deceive people as they did. So many different things, and, what what led to my, you know, starting to write this, this book was just hearing so many heartbreaking stories of 5: people 2: who had been seriously injured by the vaxx. And, you know, you've heard so many. My my heart just kinda broke at at listening to their stories, and it's, you know, and that's what got this started because, you know, what can you do? But, you know, for me, I think what I would like to offer, you know is hope and encouragement, you know for more than 1 reason, 1 reason though being that even those of us who didn't get the vax or those who may have gotten the vax but didn't have any particular adverse reactions, we're all affected by, you know, what they're doing, you know, to our food, the water, the air, and trying to get us every which way with, you know, the same types of, you know, problems and ingredients as we're in the the vaccines that caused all the injuries. But, also, you know, I I am 100% convinced that, you know, we haven't yet seen the intervention from God with just massive healings, you know, that we're going to see. I I just really believe that, you know, we're going to see just some incredible miracles and other, just the hand of God at work, you know, in restoring people, you know, helping them recover, not just from the physical injuries, but also from the the trauma, the emotional injuries, the the fear, you know, the the anger, you know, shame, guilt, what whatever the emotions are. You know, that he's gonna do a real complete work. Physical, emotional, even financial, because because the financial impacts have been so, tremendous as well. But, you know, but I believe, you know, God is is in the middle of it, and we're just about to experience this almighty move of of God that's going to bring a lot of healing and and restoration. And, so that's my hope and encouragement for all those who've been affected 1 way or another, as well as, you know, for the, the health care, professionals who were in the midst of, you know, all the the problems that, you know, we've been talking about, who, you know, been in traumatized as well. And some of them have have had various kinds of injuries, but certainly just the emotional toll and the stress over such a long period of time from all the, you know, the, the hospital protocols and the craziness in the health care, you know, situation. It has taken its toll on the health care providers as well. So, 1: yeah. I agree. Sally's book, I put a picture of it in the chat. It's it's simply amazing. And, you know, it's vaccines and beyond. So she goes a lot into what's the bigger picture. And, you you have the protocols and the jabs are so tightly related because the whole protocol was to scare people into getting the jab and or to you can take revenge on the ones that didn't comply and didn't didn't obey. So it's it it is what the medical industrial complex is not telling us. 4: Yeah. And I love I love I wanna add on to that, Cece. I love the fact that it that the that it talks about the big picture because as we know, this whole thing didn't start with COVID, and it's not going to end with COVID. 1: Right. Right. And Sally was like you know, when I was talking to her before, she's like, no. I'm a, I'm a former attorney. I want to see the evidence. I want the evidence. And this book is packed full of evidence, and it's got even got QR codes you can scan to take you to the source. So, you know, she's just like, I need the facts. And so it's it's very factual. It's like a manual. If you wanna talk about this to somebody and have your facts all in 1 place I mean, mine's covered in post it notes. I can just flip to it real quick. But, yeah, it's such a great job. Doctor McCullough, wrote in it I wrote the back cover, actually, endorsing it. I know doctor Witcher's in it and doctor Thor, a bunch of doctors that, you know, are so highly respected and just a great a great book. 4: Yeah. Very impressive. And 1: Yeah. Amazon number 1 you know, I think a best seller on Amazon. 4: That's awesome. And, you know, that that is the you know? So, it's really important that people, especially in this day and age, in in looking at the big picture, seek information, solid information like the you know, evidence, and and information to just to to be educated and in you know, just empower yourself with that knowledge because, they really plunged us into this you know, we're living life and then boom, you know, this hit. So I I think it's super important, and I, yeah. So I'll, thank you for, you know, for the book, and thank you for, you know, all that you do. And I want to, Can 2: I just say 1 other thing about the book? Because I've I've heard this before from very various people, and I have a personal experience with this too, that we we wrote it as a tool to wake other people up. And even though there's a lot of people that we all know who, you know, we tried to talk to in the past and warn them, but they just no. No. No. You know, they wouldn't listen. They weren't open at the time. But, you know, my encouragement would be try again and and use the the book as a tool to somehow get it in their hands. And because if they have it actually in their hands, there's a very good possibility they're likely to open it or maybe read the back cover, or just open in the middle, and then get them into it. But I had a situation a few years back with another book I wrote, which was sort of similarly well documented, you know, the the COVID 19, vaccines book has over 600 footnotes. My earlier book called Globalists on Trial has, I don't know, 4 or 500 footnotes, I think. But a friend of mine, had who was more conservative leaning, was married to a woman who she was more democratic leaning, and her voting. And my friend said he had been trying for years to share some of these same points that I made in the book with his wife, but she would never listen to them. And but when he happened to buy the ebook on his wife's tablet, and so she read it. And, it changed her perspective, but it was there in her hands. And and then she wouldn't have gone out and bought the book otherwise. But 1 of the things that, helped to turn her thinking was the fact that it was not just somebody's opinion. It was very well documented and substantiated by, you know, by experts and and, you know, actual reports and studies and things. And so, you know, that kind of evidence, you know, can be really helpful because then it's hard to say that, well, this is just their opinion, you know, or this this theory, you know, conspiracy theory. Well, look at the evidence, you know, because so many of the claims that have been made, both about COVID and the vaccines really haven't had any evidence to support them at all. 4: Yeah. Exactly. 2: Yeah. So I'll I'll, I'll let it go at at that with my comments, but thank you so much. 4: Oh my gosh. Thank you. Thank you for, you know, for everything. Yeah. So, I so, Jody, are are you on? I think I see yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I've I wanted to see like, so maybe can you talk a little bit about, you know, you and, what you and Clover have gone through. First of all, today is the first time I learned that you guys were twins. That came as a shock to me, just so you know. 1: You didn't know that? 14: I did 4: not know they were twins. So, but so if you, like, if you want I want I think people kinda need to understand some things about y'all's first of all, y'all story that you guys went through, including the legal battle and the denial, just constant denial of things of things that we now know and knew then could save lives. But, also, your brother has some incredible projects, in in the works. And he does amazing work, liberty call and the whole do no harm. So if you could talk a little bit about the store, about your, you know, what what happened to your mom and all of that and then go into some of the things you guys are doing with your with this experience. I would love that. 7: Oh, I see 1: I see Clover is on it as well. 4: Oh, is he? Hi, Clover. 10: Hi, Clover. I call Clover my womb mate. Yes? 1: That's cute. 2: That is cute. 10: Oh, we we're we're both in our jubilee year, and I have to believe that the latter part of our lives will be greater than the former, just bouncing off of Sally's faith about seeing the hand of God move. And I am in agreement with you on that, Sally. So thank you for sharing. You know, in the beginning, back in the day, back in 2021, everything was so shocking, and I was appalled and astounded that the hospitals could act in such a manner, really on a on a scale of indifferent to downright hostile. At that point, I hadn't embraced homicidal yet. But as I began to be introduced to this community, this amazing, loving, powerful, intelligent, courageous community, I realized, oh my goodness, there are just so many of us. And so I had done a lot of interviews in the beginning. KBTX, Truth for Health, Brian Artis, doctor or Senator Bob Hall, Epoch Times. And, just learning about all of these commonalities, the 25 commonalities that the former Fed's group has put together is it's really bittersweet for me to realize, you know, we are not a unique case, and this is systematic and insidious evil. But, just the long and the short of it, because there are so many commonalities in a sense. You know, my mother is is yes. She is very unique and special, and it's difficult to to talk about her in the past tense as it is, I'm sure, for for many of you to talk about your loved ones in the past tense. We had 1 month. And as I was sharing with Gail earlier today in in my interview, we pretty much squeezed the blood out of that turnip. We pulled out all the stops. We did everything that we could possibly think of because early on, we recognized, wow. They are taking a wait and see approach for what we already know is a progressive and deadly illness. What do you mean we're gonna wait and see? What do you mean, she needs to go home because she's waited too long to be treated? Come back if you feel, you know, if you get worse. I'm not even in the medical profession, but I do have common sense that did not make sense to me. And so we got connected with doctor McCullough pretty early, and all of you know and and love him like I do. And he just became our ardent advocate and began teaching, really teaching us what is going on, what the different stages are, what the different treatments are, what's going on in her body. And then also more of the, you know, Clover and I were not ignorant to the the encroaching tyranny that we had been witnessing over the last, you know, the prior year and a half. But, we learned more through our counsel with Doctor. McCullough. So we just began advocating for mom with the hospital. By the way, what we call advocating, they actually called intimidating. And at 1.1 of the doctors on her medical team said, oh, Jody is intimidating the staff. She needs to stay away. Well, I couldn't have stayed further away. My mom was in quarantine for 21 days, which was well after her infectious period anyway. And most of the time, I was running around College Station, you know, filing applications for the temporary restraining order and finding a process server and and talking to doctors and lawyers and driving down to San Antonio for the American frontline doctors conference. But we just to back up a little bit, we had we realized that we had to progressively increase, the pressure we are putting on the hospital because they did not seem to be aware of the treatments for COVID or what was effective. And I had pried a little bit, and I got, you know, I came to understand they weren't really doing the right things based on doctor McCullough's advice. And so asking politely didn't work. So we oh, they had told us, what you're asking for has no scientific basis. So giving them the benefit of the doubt that they were unaware of what was working, I printed out the scientific articles. And I put put them in a packet and delivered them, hand delivered at midnight to the medical team. And that didn't work. And so we asked for an ethics consult because we were in disagreement with the plan of care. We didn't get an ethics consult. We kind of escalated it from there. We, eventually did a right to try letter that was declined. And by the way, it wasn't just ivermectin that we were asking for. We knew that my mom was probably somewhere in the cytokine storm headed for thrombosis, so we're asking for increased levels of Lovenox and baby aspirin or aspirin. They were giving her a child dosage, and we're asking for 325 milligrams adult dosage. That was denied, and yet they were still willing to pump her full of all these toxic sedatives, like midazolam and fentanyl, propofol, morphine without blinking an eye. Everything was denied. We got in touch with Lois Kolkhorst, a senator in Texas. She advocated for us. They denied her request for us on our behalf. And we got in touch with the chief medical officer who was a kind of like a family friend. He totally blew us off. And so, eventually, we did I mean, we felt like our hand was forced. We had to file a a t r o and a temporary mandatory injunction against Baylor Scott and White. And, initially, the judge had agreed to the injunction to give her the medication we were requesting. Within 24 hours, they denied it, and we ended up having a court date a week later. And, you know, all kinds of excuses, you can fill in the blanks, of why they didn't wanna give her what she needed. But I think the most insulting was claiming the Hippocratic Oath, which I now have coined as the hypocritical oath because that's exactly what they did. They harmed her. You know, the other major reaction I had to the judgment of judge Hawthorne in Brazos County was, okay. Wait a minute. If if you're not going to, you know, allow this medication to be administered, is that not practicing medicine without a license? You're deciding what she does and doesn't get. Anyway, we lost the case, and we lost mom 3 days after that. And 4: and so since then, I mean, it really shook up obviously, shook up your your lives like it does for, for most. 10: Yeah. 4: And now, I mean, y'all have been, you know, in the battle, in the fight, and it you know, just tell people some of the things that that you guys are doing to hold them accountable and just to get to raise awareness. I know, like, Clover, was at the rally, and he, you know, really was such a strong supporter in, you know, interviewing people and getting those stories out there. I you know, he did he did a documentary on my, story, and it was amazing. I just, like, I I can't tell you guys how much, how much talent this guy's got. 1: That was our first time in a real studio. Remember? 4: Yeah. But, like, if you're not following the liberty call and the the projects that he's doing on news story media, I put it in the chat, but you guys need to, be doing that. And so talk a little bit about, what 1: Clover's project. Yeah. 4: Yeah. I'm I'm I'm putting this I'm gonna put it in the chat. 10: I'll let Clover sneak here in a second for himself, and, of course, I'm very proud of him. I'm a little biased. He is my better half. 1: After, Clover, I wanna hear from the, a nurse's perspective as well. But go ahead, Jody. 10: Clover and I were both self employed, working on for profit business related projects. And after everything that happened with mom, I you know, both of us just kind of made an immediate right turn. And without really discussing it, we both realized we wanna use our time, talents, and treasure to work on this medical freedom cause with these other amazing, courageous, you know, fighters. And so we've just been searching for open doors and God's opportunities to spread the word, help other families prevent this happening again. And, Clover has really taken off in the last year. Go ahead, Clove. Take it away. 15: Oh, well, thank you. I I just opened Twitter, and I saw you guys. So my, my background is in in media. 10: We're having trouble time here. I need you over. 8: Oh, hold on. Let me 4: Speak up. Yeah. A little bit closer to your mic. I I just got done talking about your amazing media skills. 16: Yeah. What else? 4: Like, I would really love a 15: Bluetooth set. Can you hear me? 1: Yes. That's much better. Okay. Much better. 15: Yeah. So yeah. So thank you, Cale. So my background's in media. I've been in media for for 20 years, and our world turned upside down. This is, just a a real crazy time, and it still is. And what Jody and I talk about about all the time is and I I wanna encourage all of you. When they say to you, just go back to work. It's over. It's not. These stories need to be told, and we have turned everything towards telling these stories. We have started, a campaign called do no harm. And, originally, it was gonna be, 1 big story, 1 big documentary, but it's just not it's not fair to tell 1 story because every 1 of your stories needs to be told. And, so what we're doing is doing a series of of these stories called do no harm. The 1 we're releasing now that has doctor McCullough's interview in it, it's called, the Clifton Dolly story. We're working with 50 victims in Fresno County, and they're gonna have individual stories. And and what we really wanna do is a drip campaign so that people will get online, and they'll they'll get online, and they'll say hold on 1 second. Yeah. They'll get online, and they'll see, oh, yeah. It's another story. And they'll it'll never go away. That's what we wanna do with the do no harm campaign. You can go to news story media. There is a do news story media slash do no harm to find out more about it. 1: Thank you so much for doing that. I know that, you know, you've been a we've been working together. You you interviewed at the rally. You and your sister are on our team, and, the work that everyone's doing is just amazing. So thank you to get these stories out here, and you have the skills with the the media background and the studio and everything else. It's just we're so lucky 8: to have you guys. 15: Thank you, Cece. And there's 1 other thing. The Liberty Call. So we started a channel called the Liberty and we're interviewing, freedom activists that are standing up against this tyranny. And we we do them as we can. We just did Alex Newman this last week. We're gonna have Peter McCullough's interview, separately from the documentary coming out as soon as possible. So the libertycall.com, you can see the many of you that are on the call tonight have been interviewed, and you can see those videos at the liberty call Com. 4: Yeah. 1: Awesome. Amazing. Well, we also have I'd love to get the, a nurse's perspective. We have the co nurse. Are you on your speaker working? 0: I think so. 1: Yeah. I can hear you. 4: There you go. 1: Because you guys were kinda caught in the in the mess too along with the doctors, but you had more contact with patients. 0: You know, I, worked hospice, and so I had a, a wide variety of exposure. I in case somebody doesn't know my story. Hi, Clover. I was a hospice nurse for 17 years, and, I, was front line taking care of hospice patients. And, of course, the shot came out, in spring of 20 21. My, former employer at Ohio's Hospice, sent out an email that said that if we didn't receive the shot before, July, we would lose some of our, COVID benefits. In addition to that, they would put out the narrative that everybody else got the propaganda about this safety and effectiveness. And, they were doing drawings up to $20,000, and we knew the mandate was coming. I talked through with my husband, and we decided that I I would take it, thinking there was a safety net. There wasn't. After my second shot, my life was ruined. I ended up having, a condition called a transverse myelitis. The shot attacked my spinal cord and has left me, completely disabled. I am a lifetime disability. I have issues taking care of my self walking, talking, swallowing, and pain constantly. And, as of, about 2 to 3 months ago, my heart's now been affected. My valve is, failing, and I, am probably going into some sort of a heart failure. So it's a never ending gift. Of course, I could, sit down and and and not speak out about it, but I, decided to stand up and, fight, against everything that I I witnessed, to speak to what people have said earlier. Nobody has came out of this unscathed. 1 of my good friends, Ashley Grog, she calls it moral injury, because that's exactly what has happened to all of us. Everybody that is on the right side of the road, just their heart breaks because they felt they didn't do enough or they couldn't save somebody or whatever it is. So I, took it upon myself to speak from a nurse's perspective. When I became injured, I had thought for sure that, the FFDACDC would listen to me. I filed a VAERS report and filed MedWatch, and my VAERS report disappeared, and MedWatch never answered. So, of course, I filed, with the CICP, and and that's a joke as we all know. And, I, was talking to Werner Mendenhall as I was, at a speaking at a rally in, Columbus, with RFK and doctor Merrick and doctor Corey, and, was encouraged to look at, filing workers' comp case. So I did. I, filed workers' comp in, against Ohio's hospice. They are, self insured, so that means that any claim that comes in, they have to pay out of pocket. We went through the workers comp process, and, we were denied at each level in that. But what happened was that then opened the door for me to file a civil suit. So I am currently I have a civil, suit, to win, rights for workers' comp, and I have a scheduled jury trial in, 2024. We're going through, discovery, right now. So that's 1 of the things that I'm, doing to try to open and and pave the way for anybody that has long COVID or a vaccine injury, because of a fork. 1: Alright. I just realized who you are. I'm I didn't recognize your Twitter name, but I think I met you through Operation Truth at Sarah Boyd. 0: Yes, ma'am. 7: I'm a long bit. 1: I mean, your my heart is breaking listening to your story. I mean, I'm literally in tears, but I'm so inspired by your by your courage and your strength to come on and and fight this head on, you know, with with what they've done to you and and your disabilities now, but you are just speaking out louder, and we hear you loud and clear. You're definitely being heard, and and I'm just I'm just really, getting choked up, because all these other people's, you know, loved ones died because they didn't go get this experimental jab. You were forced to, and, you know, it's just it's just horrible. 17: It's just 4: Well, it's 0: and they didn't do this. 4: And, Cece, just so they I I know you what you meant to say, but they they were killed because of the of the Discrimination. And the discrimination against them for not getting the shot. And so 0: Yes. Exactly. 4: And and some people, were, you know, were terrified in or browbeat and bullied into getting the shot after their loved 1 died and experienced, you know, injury and things like that. And I just wanna mention to people who might be listening that the chbmp.org, the COVID humanity betrayal memory project, we document and interview both it's while it's primarily the protocols and the protocol deaths and survivors that are coming forward and, you know, we document a lot of those stories to raise awareness. We are also documenting the vaxx injured and vaxx vaccine death stories on there. And, and so and some people have many people, unfortunately, have both. 0: Yeah. No. It's it's, so, I, going through everything, saw the the gamut. I took care of people in in their own homes. And during the, pandemic, I was in facilities, and I would watch these poor people that had absolutely no ability to contact their family members, just die and wither away because of that very fact. They didn't have a COVID. They weren't sick. They were healthy, and they came on to my hospice caseload because of sheer neglect and sheer, separation from their families. And when we had the people that came on to the caseload with a diagnosis of hospice that miraculously survived the hospital protocols, we discharged them alive because they got holistic care. We had so many people come on hospice services with a terminal diagnosis of COVID, and only probably 2 out of our whole company passed away that I'm aware of. The rest, we discharged alive. And that right there speaks volumes of what they were doing in the hospitals. They're sending them to us saying there's no hope that you get them home and away from the hospital protocols, and they thrived. And that just makes me so sick, and I'm so very sorry to anybody that has lost a loved 1 because of those protocols. We are having a a march. It'll be September in Washington DC. The marching demonstration. I'm, the lead coordinator for that. I we chose the the hash attack breaking the silence because it was important to us to represent everybody that has been affected by what has happened, the hospital protocols, the, the doctors, the the with the moral injury people that felt that they just couldn't do anything and just saw the horrors, veterans that have been injured past and present. We wanted something that's going to encompass every voice that has been affected by what's going on. So we'll be putting out more information about it. I think doctor Bain's on the call. 2: He's Yeah. 0: Gonna be a key, note speaker at the March, from what I understand. So, we, really encourage, people to think about, coming. 1: Thank you so much. Yeah. Thank you. And we'll be praying for you for sure. Yeah. 0: I appreciate everything. 4: And and I just if you haven't if you haven't put your story out on chbmp.org, you'll be wonderful to I mean, it's awful to have it out there, but, you know, just we we want to encourage people who are vaccine injured and, vaccine deaths and and along with the protocol desk to to also, you know, to also put their stories out there. 0: I would love to. 1: Thousand stories now. So Yeah. No. The more we have, the more we can wake people up. 4: Yeah. We we wanna we wanna bury the world in these stories so that they can't look away. 0: I wanna help with that. I have always I unfortunately, I have ended up with a a case that, it has the medical proof. I have the MRIs and everything that shows the direct injury, and I've always said, I will be the first. Whoever wants to go after the government, I will be right there, and I am happy to be the first plaintiff because I I I just feel like I I can't do enough Yeah. To help. 7: Understand. Understandable. 1: Your courage is your courage is unbelievable and and so inspiring. So it's Thank you. 4: So it's been Thank 12: you for sharing your story. Thank you so much. 1: Yeah. And it's perfect lead in for doctor Bain who I've known him since probably the beginning. I think I met doctor Winter doctor same time a long time ago, and we used to have this long heart to hearts that I'm like, doctor Bain, this acts they're they're killing people on purpose. And, you know, being a doctor, he didn't wanna think believe that his his profession that was doing this because he is so opposite. Like, his he loves people so much, and he's turned his entire practice to helping people with COVID. He's gone and he's gone before judges to get court orders to go to hospitals and put it down their ventilator tube. He's, he's turned so focused, you know, 4 he's I think he's licensed in 16 states now. Just helping with long haul COVID vaccine injured and, just also been another hero in this, plan. So, you know, hearing hearing her, what does that how does that make you feel about what, you know, your profession is doing, doctor Ben? 8: Thank you. I am absolutely honored to be here. I listening to everybody that Danielle and doctor Witcher and and doctor Farella, trying to figure out where to begin and where to put my head together on all this. The the sacrifice that everybody, all the patients, and just just the fact that those who took the shot, those who didn't, but those who did, that that they sacrificed. The the I'm speechless, and I'm sorry. I'm usually more fluid in my thoughts. I apologize. I really have been trying to connect with, you know, what does it feel like when you're losing your job because you got a shot and you were told to do the right thing. And I'm always in contact with, Catherine as well, Catherine Parker. And when I hear, you know, hey. I wanna help out, and I find out, well, they this 1 lost their job, and that's lost their job. Everybody everybody tried to do the right thing. Everybody tried to do the right thing and how we all got burned on so many levels, how we as doctors are in shock by the lack of humanity in our own fellow man and our own fellow woman physicians. You know, it's it's it's astounding. It's it's and I wanna hold miss Saxon's, hope that that God is gonna help us through this because what I'm I'm seeing is a lot of, fog fog, fear, people being stunned, those that took the shot. We all have these patients, the doctors that are here that it was not a big deal for them, and they don't understand why everybody else is all you know, this is it's it's it's it's it's gobsmacking. I have on my, my study table Edward Dowd's book, and I keep staring at it. CC knows I've made 5 T shirts of cause unknown. And every time I look at this book, I keep feeling and praying that these folks, these young kids and young adults who died in their sleep or died from the shots, that that they're that they'll that they will be going to a better place and that we need to keep praying for them to go to a better place. So I almost I I know this is a little bit of a curve ball of a discussion here. I could talk about my experiences within a hospital, but I've been just inundated in my brain as to how to pray and how to break through and ask God to to just lift this fog that our normal fellow American is is experiencing, those that don't know who we are, us doctors and people like Danielle and the other vaccine injured here listening. And, strangely, I hope that those that, did not make it, there's an army on the other side if you believe in that. I'm not telling you to believe in that, but I'm praying that there's an army on the other side that's gonna get it that's gonna help us, those that need to get the word out. In other words, I think you know what I'm trying to say a a little bit. This is just this is just so overwhelming. It's it's there's so many moving parts to this evil. Am I coming off clear? Can you hear my Hey. 16: Can I jump in here a bit? Yep. Yeah. 8: Yeah. Well, 1 1 more thing before you jump in. When when when when people speak of evil, and I know we all know about it. We all know what we're looking at. It's always in my mind, we have to try to feel the moving parts of it. There's so many different ways evil can express itself, all the machinations. It's almost like a puzzle. Right? 12: Yeah. 8: It's not a pretty puzzle. And what I think with God, we could just find those necessary pieces of the puzzle that really are important. You know, when I think of the 1 more statement. When I think of the World Economic Forum, and we all know what that who those people are. Right? 16: Yes. We do. 8: You know, it's a strange thing to tell you. I've been pulling weeds today. I I I learn a lot when I pull weeds and I'm on my knees because I think God's putting me on my knees. But let me say 1 thing. So I'm looking in the weeds and I'm pulling these weeds. I'm like, wait a minute. So you think you wanted if only so and so would go away. If only you you could pick your your people in the government or whoever you wanna pick. But there's always another 1. 16: There's always another weed that will come up. 8: Exactly. And so so so so so so so pre preparation in that idea, you know, we could all pick on doctor, Fauci, and we can all pick on, Klaus Schwab. I was in Conroe, Texas. Exact exactly. And I was in Conroe, Texas listening to a fiery speech by Del Bigtree, 2: and can you 8: he wasn't speaking in the terms of evil necessarily, and he wasn't trying to but he was trying to understand the mindset of people that perhaps might be guided by that other force, if you know what I mean. But, he was trying to figure out the mindset of a Bill Gates or the mindset that to me, those are the machinations of, like, how do we approach this? There's so many different ways like Cece and Gail and you're putting that together. There's so many levels of this. I I'm making t shirts already. Just simple little things on the ground. Just like I'm hoping people will ask. I I just made a magnet on my car of this book cause unknown. I'm gonna stop talking. I know somebody else wanted to talk, but Yeah. 16: No. That's that's cool. And and I absolutely agree with you, and your voice is is extremely important right now. I I came to this, I don't know what what we call it. 4: Live spaces. 16: Live spaces because it was named COVID related crimes against humanity, hear from those impacted, and I was impacted. My mother, who was a single mother raising 2 boys, died alone. And she died alone without her boys by her side because of this ridiculously anti science agenda. And I I don't I don't know how to come back from that. My mom was, like, the best the best woman in the history of the world, and she died alone. All she cared about was her family. All she cared about was her boys. And the fact that she died alone 18: because of 1: So cruel. 16: These fucking people excuse my language. 2: Yeah. No. 4: I get it. I get it. 16: Something that I will ever forgive or ever forget. 4: You know, that's 1 of our 1 of the commonalities that we found in the stories was the isolation and, and all that. And 1 of the reasons we started the COVID humanity betrayal memory project was to document these stories like yours so that the government and and nobody, big tech, nobody could memory hole these stories because they'll try. At some point, they're going to try. And so I hope you'll put your story in there and do an interview. And, I don't know if you have a pen, but I'd I wanna give you my phone number so that you can call me and I can tell you all the things that people are doing and how to get involved. 16: Absolutely. Just 4: Let me get you my number real quick. 1: We also have, support meetings 6 nights a week. So, you know, you're not alone. You're not alone 4: in this week. Men's support. Yeah. We have a men's support and action meeting and everything. And I'm gonna I'm yeah. So I might I just why don't you email me, and I'll I'll send you my phone number. It's my email is gail,gail,.seiler,seiler,@formerfedsgroup.org. And anybody can email me, and I can get you connected with I'm gonna put our, support group sign up in the or somebody can put our support group sign up in the chat or in the chat because if I do it, I'm gonna mess it up, and then I'm gonna get kicked out. So if somebody who knows what they're doing can put Okay. 5: I didn't I didn't I 16: didn't get actually I'm I'm slow to write down. So gild at Seil, s e I l? 4: Seiler, s yeah. S e I l e r, and it it's at former feds, with an s, formerfedsgroup.org. 16: Okay. 1: Wow. Thank you for coming on and sharing. 0: And I I just I wanna give you my apologies because when I was working hospice, I saw that over and over again. I wasn't holding the hand while the loved ones were standing outside the window. It was awful, and I I truly am sorry. It is 1 of those things that, when I was contemplating about the the shot, my husband and I talked about because he's an occupational therapist. And, how will how would we be able to walk away from the people that that needed the touch and the hand holding and and the love that they were denied. So, I'm very, very sorry. 16: Oh, it's it's I I I appreciate that, and I appreciate your voice. Like, they these people took our humanity away from us. I'm sorry, but that's what they did. They did that. 4: Yeah. I agree. I I agree. It's absolutely criminal. And, having sir having been you know, I'm a survivor, and so having been in that situation of being so isolated, that is probably the thing that makes you lose hope the fastest. And it it was it it was the isolation was harder than going without nutrition or water for Absolutely. 16: You know? That that as human beings, that's what we are. Like, we are we are our families. We are our we are our people. That that's that's what we are. Like 1: Not to not to mention it's a proven science that if you have the touch of a loved 1 or 7: the even the voice of 1: a loved 1, you are more apt to heal and recover. 16: Yes, ma'am. But 4: Yeah. I I think with with a lot of survivors, 1 of the factors that really plays into it is the fact that they were not not alone. And not just from the perspective of, you know, their families were there to give them hope and to talk to them and keep them going. 3: But advocating. 4: But advocating for them, and they were able to per they were able to step in and protect them from harm, which really should have been the nurses. My husband was a nurse, and he's always going on about the nurses, the primary advocate. But the family, the love, the loved ones, that's what drives a a a that it has healing effect. And I'm so sorry that this happened to your family. And, email me because I'd like to talk to you on the phone and you guide you with some of the things that you can do to move forward and make sure that that did not happen in vain. 16: Well, I appreciate that, and and thank you. 2: You bet. 4: Thank 16: you for the reach out. 2: Yeah. You bet. Of course. 8: Can I say something in general? 1: Sure. 8: Just 1 more statement, you know, when everybody says this is evil, that the the the nature of this evil is extremely, shall we say, intelligent and, like, advanced. 7: Yeah. Yeah. 8: And and and and the only reason I wanna say that is because we we need to know, how shall we say 11: it, the 8: enemy. And the fact that evil can pull our heartstrings, make us numb, but also con us into thinking what is moral and what is immoral, And hijacking all the things we value in life, love, morale, love, decency, morality. Remember the children. Hey. I gotta get the shot to take care of my mom and my dad. You know, it's the right thing to do. It's the right thing to do. And, you know, I never forget how these things happen, and I keep remembering a a patient of mine whose dad did not wanna take a shot, but the great niece took 3 shots and carried the COVID virus, and the guy died because he didn't want a shot, and there was no ivermectin for him. I didn't know the guy. And the vaccinated person brought the virus home. Just the opposite. So this this sick hijacking of the things we love and value has got to we gotta, you know, we gotta get get to that creator and you know what I'm saying. I mean, it's very advanced. Very advanced. And the other 1 thing before I stop talking is all of us doctors, there's doctors here. We we we know that in certain in certain sectors, there's infighting and there's this 1 has their own style of doing things, and this 1 does COVID this way and this 1 COVID you know, we this is gonna sound really crazy to say this, but I I I have a fantasy of Del Bigtree with a psychologist next to to him doing an intervention for all us physicians, getting all of our stuff together. We're in the same room because we need 1 voice. We're too much off on our own being this system and that system. Do you know do you know what I'm saying? Yeah. I mean, we we need to be, I think, a little bit more unified. 1: Oh, the hero doctor. Yeah. Because you're right. 1 big voice is a lot more effective than lots of little ones. But we're just so grateful that we have you guys. Maybe we can think about a a plan or project to 11: get 1: the all the doctors together like that and get that on you know, I would love to have all the all the fighters in this movement speaking out together. Gail just sent me a message saying, let's do it. So we're gonna figure out a plan. You know, we're always adding projects to our list. So 12: You like it. You like that 1: to Washington. Yeah. There's a start right there. That'd be that'd be that's a great idea, though. And doc I see doctor Locatos is on here too. I I sent him a invite to speak, but I guess he, yeah, he's probably working because I know he works nights now. He's he's had a quite a run standing up for this too, I think, being fired from several hospitals for not using remdesivir and fighting notifying the FDA, what was going on. They wouldn't listen. I believe he's got his own suit against some some hospitals too. But, thank you. All you all you guys, you know, for speaking out. And is there any other person that, you know, wants to share maybe what happened or, expert expert? 12: Cat. Cat. Cat. Cat. 9: Cat. Cat. 1: Cat. Okay. 16: Cat. I have a call 17: for coming in late. I've been so sick. 4: Cat, your Cat. Your your voice your your voice is not 17: Yeah. It's terrible. 4: Yeah. We can hardly hear you. We can hardly hear you. 17: Come in for a minute and just say that I'm so sorry for those that have gone through the hospital protocol, murders. Let's just call it what it is, murders. And those that have been injured, and we call that attempted murder. And then we're gonna call what those that have died from the vaccines murder and us that have survived survived attempted murder. For those that don't know me, my name is Kat Parker. I am the national vaccine injury director for former Fed's group. I sit on the board for Operation Truth and also for the foundation for doctor Bain, Medical Arts Healing Foundation. I'm vaccine injured. I've got about 39 neurological conditions, and we call it infinite I'm just gonna say it fuckery. That's what we've called it. That's about the best way you can put it. I'm 51 with Parkinson's disease, narcolepsy, clobecier, pneumoniae, hepatitis, and all of this in blood. The the 1 thing I wanna say is I don't think these people that did this to us would ever imagine how hard we would fight back against this, how far we would fight against them, the protocols, the the shots, the, the death, the lies, the fraud. And for those of us that took these shots, we thought we were doing the best thing. We thought we were doing the right thing to protect others. We were coerced. We were forced in our jobs to to either choose between the shot and paying rent or putting food on the table. And for us, a single mother like me, I didn't ever wanna be homeless again with my children. So I thought I did the right thing. You know, we look at it takes a lot for people to come to realization that they've made wrong choices. But in this instance, I don't think we made wrong choices. We were defrauded and lied to. That's just the 7: Yeah. Yeah. 17: That's just what it was. And 1: Yeah. I like how that doctor Wietrold puts 7: but it's it's it's it's 0: it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's 2: it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it 17: Right. And during that time, there were not a lot of jobs during the pandemic. It was very few and far between. People were on unemployment or and for those that were on employment, you know, you had to have at least bought in or paid into the unemployment system. If you worked jobs that were 10 99 jobs, you didn't get unemployment. So there were so many people out there that didn't have any money. But the thing is is we're fighting hard, and we're we're backing up people to make sure that they know that they've got help. They have resources. They have people who are willing to fight for them. They have individuals that are willing to to give all and do everything in their power to make sure that these people are are helped and taken care of. And there's we have to have more humanity and empathy for people. And the things that I hear a lot is where you're an idiot or a sheep for taking it or, you know, you bought into it, and you're just you're just like everybody else. Well, you know, people all want to be accepted. They all wanna do the right thing. Common sense has nothing to do with it. We just have to understand that from here on out, what do we do now? That's help people, give them them resources and options, and sue sue the shit out of the government and everybody involved because we have to 1: take them down. And who else do we have to go for it? 16: You put that really well, Kat. You put that really well, Kat. 17: Thank you. I'm former cop. I've seen evil. I've dealt with evil. I have stared evil in the face, and this is a kind of evil that I have never encountered in my life because it's blatant and it's massive, and it is disgusting. It is even worse than some of the people I've seen in my line of work. So know that there are people there to back you up and help you. We care. We do. And, if you're ready to sue, let us know because I have 4,500 people in our group who are ready to go and more. So, Sally, if you know anybody, please let us 0: know. Me. 17: 2. 4: So we've got can you hear me okay, Cece? 1: Because I'm Yeah. I can say Kat, run host our our support group for the vaccine engine. She's been incredible helping people. 20 of the people that in her group, of the 4400 have killed themselves in the last 3 months. So you can see how serious this is, that we get this this message out there and, yeah. 4: And before we so before we go on 1: Can y'all hear me? 12: I can. 1: Okay. I think we lost Gail again. Gail keeps falling off. Yes. We, is is is Andy available? 12: I I I I am. I can, 1: Oh, you wanna yeah. 12: I can chime in. 19: Please do. 12: Absolutely. Well, hello, everyone, and thank you so much for coming. I, I was listening to everyone, tell their story, and, you know, I'm really sad when I hear it again and again, and it makes me it reminds me of, you know, my when I when my dad was in the hospital. And, there's no words to describe the feeling of, you know, helpless and feeling lost. And, don't feel lost because this is a a place where you're gonna have a voice. Your voice is gonna be heard. I feel like my voice is heard with, COVID Humanity Betrayal Project. And when I join them, they, they listen to what I have to say. And we all have something to say here. We really do. If you if you feel like you don't have the strength or the courage or you're worried or you're you know, people are gonna think I'm whatever. I'm crazy. They're not gonna believe me. You can't think that way. Don't don't let yourself, that's so there you know, a lot of people even who maybe never went to hospital or were not affected by vaccination, they were affected other ways. And not a livelihood. Then maybe in some states, they were told you're gonna shut your business down because there's this virus and, you know, so now you're gonna start paying all the times. We're gonna start, you know, all of these citations and, you know, so there's there's a few different we've heard of this. And we can't we have to document this. We have to, we have to, do the best we can to, make sure the future knows about the COVID story. This is, the Holocaust on steroids. This is you know, you have every level of of government, of our bureaucracy, becoming weaponized against the people. And, you know, we still have time to turn it around. And organizations like ours, are are allowing, the average person who has nowhere else to go to have a voice. And I think that, the longer the longer and the more organized we get, the more people that come to this, the more frequent with the more frequent we are with doing this, the better. The better, the better. Is there I see there are some requests here for people who wanna speak and be listeners. I have I have someone called, dogs and Brooke. 20: Who 12: would like to speak next? I'm sorry. 1: Yeah. I think he 4: I think Brooke Witcher, doctor Witcher's very amazing better half, and, you know, I think I think she was in in line to speak. 12: Okay. Well, let's let's let her let I'll pass the I'm gonna pass the torch over to the doctor Brooke if they would like to speak. 1: Brooks, and we can take some questions maybe for the doctors and stuff. 5: Hello. Hello, everyone. Can you Hi, Brooke. How are y'all? Can you hear me? 1: We can. We can. 5: This is the first time I've spoken on a on a on a, I guess, an x chat. So it's very exciting. Very exciting. I see my my beloved is is listening in, so that's good too. So, I just wanted to to say, you know, I was sitting here just crying, listening to Danielle, and I just remember the first time of that. I had an opportunity to meet her, and she's just so full of love. Just so she I mean, it just seems like this has affected the very best people in the world as as resulting from the the the folks that are here on the chat and Carolyn and, yeah, just all of these folks are just amazing. And I just want to applaud your dedication to truth and to getting the the word out. And as, my husband who has recently, put a bid in to run for governor in Mississippi, we didn't we didn't we weren't successful in the primary because, you know, we're running against the, you know, the machine. But I'm telling you, we cross the state of Mississippi up, down, side to side, all over the place. I want you to know your efforts are paying off. People are getting the message. People are seeing the harms, and they know what was done to their loved ones in the hospitals. Not not everybody is brave to speak out, but they know, they know, they know. And that is the goal is to make it known, and then we can push for justice. I was thrilled to hear that Danielle has got the workman's comp case because that's gonna open the floodgates of, you know, so many people that have been injured. And, I'm just praying we that that gives us 2: something to pray for. And, I don't know 5: that we can make the DC March, but, oh, that would just I that tonight's the first I've heard of it, so I'm sorry. I've been out of touch about that. So that's that's a fantastic thing, and I just hope there's tons of people that go. And I know it's extremely difficult for the vaccine injured and expensive. They're so burdened financially already. So we just we need to, do what we can to try to support and get the word out and, and encourage them to go because it's healing to be together just like the separation in the hospital, keeping people from their loved ones, was demoralizing and just deadly, really. It's the same thing for vaccine injured. They've they need to be together. It's healing. It's it's the praying together, the love. It is. It makes a huge difference. That's all I wanted to say. I just wanted to say, I love you all, all you warriors that are just fighting so hard. And just know that, you know, we're we're praying. We have our little nightly chat that we do on Telegram, and that it's always wrapped up in prayer. And, you know, we we have to stay informed. We can't be so discouraged that we get black filled. We have to keep our hope in in the in the 1 above who who sees to our needs, and and none of this stuff none of this stuff is a is a surprise to to him, and he's gonna be able to help us make the impact that we need to make. So God bless you all. Much, much love. Thank you for letting me take a moment to speak. 1: Thank you, Brooke. We just love you and doctor Witcher so much. You're it's an honor to be in the fight with you guys. 0: Thank you you so much, Brooke. I appreciate you and, doctor Witcher. You guys are just so wonderful. Awesome. We appreciate 5: it. I can tell you, we are just humbled to to to know you all and to be able to to do the the things that we can do, and we just we just have so much love and so much respect. 12: I don't know. 0: Well, I'm looking for expert witnesses right now, and and doctor He's listening. 5: He's listening. You know he'll do anything for you. 1: Oh, yeah. Thank you. So I wanna Sally wanted to jump on and say a few things and then Scott, and then we can probably take some questions. Well, fast. Go ahead, Sally. 2: Oh, okay. So, going back to the issue of the evil that we all recognize is is behind this, you know, that the the ultimate endgame, you know, that the the devil is trying to exalt himself, to be equal, with or above God and destroy all his creation, etcetera. But, you know, in our our book, we talk about, you know, the big picture being that this is, at its root a spiritual war, which requires a spiritual response. And and 1 of the questions I've been addressing lately is, okay, so what does that spiritual response to this look like? You know, what can we do to protect ourselves, you know, not just in natural ways, you know, with the supplements or other kind of treatments and remedies and and things you know for the physical things, but you know what can we do spiritually, is a spiritual response to the spiritual war that can make a difference because, you know, the bible tells us that, you know, God has given us many spiritual weapons, but they're not at all like the weapons that that, you know, man has made. You know, they're 1: Yeah. I think we lost you, Sal. Or can y'all hear me? Maybe it was me. I can. 12: I I think we have we lost her. 1: Okay. Well, maybe she'll come back. Scott Miller, who's also sacrificed a ton when he was a PA in Washington and lost his entire practice, for saving people's lives. And then we'll get to Sunny and some questions. Scott? Hi. Hi. 19: How are y'all doing? 1: It's good. 19: Yeah. I I and I apologize. I just saw that this was going on. I've I've got an emergency in about, 8 minutes. But, to kind of add on to what Danielle said, what what Brook Witcher said, you know, the only way we lose is is if we quit. You know, you know, they took my license. I look at that as a speed bump. I mean, it's it's granted, it's a it's a huge I would call it more than an inconvenience. But God put me in a position to to help thousands of people. The state taking my license isn't the devastating thing. The devastating thing would be if I use that as a reason to quit, to curl up and just say this is too hard. There's there's there's no such thing as too hard when we have gotten our side because we're not it's not us doing it on our own. It wasn't me being smart enough or clever enough to be able to help those people. It was a direct a literal direct just download from from God, from the Holy Spirit to give me the knowledge and courage to to do it. The only way we lose is if we think that the enemy is too strong, and we know that's not true. So I think, just from that standpoint, we, you know, whether it's long COVID or vaccine injured or you've lost your job or income, the only way to lose is to stop fighting. 1: Right. And I totally agree. 19: That's it. 1: I totally I totally agree. I tell everybody I have not sat in this chair for 2 and a half years to lose. I'm seeing this through to the end, and by golly, you know, we are we will get justice for everyone and our loved ones and take our country back and get you know, rebuild our systems that are have been so captured and corrupted that that everyone terrified of the of the medical industry, and you have to find the very few doctors that had moral courage, you know, and, even if they're out of state to help you. It's just really it's we don't have a choice. We don't have a choice. I mean, this is 19: And I would say this, I just because of what I've seen in in other other groups, there's I I don't know what the word justice means anymore. You know, just, you know, esoterically, it's like, what what does it mean outside of, you know, I look at like, justice for me wasn't reclaiming my license. It was being able to pivot and continue to help people 12: Agree. 19: Heal. Right? So most people wouldn't look at that as justice. But I I think it's really important that it justice doesn't mean harm coming to those that wronged us, necessarily. Necessarily. I mean, there people need to be held accountable, obviously. I mean, it's just the the the greatest travesty, you know, unleashed on mankind that our world has ever seen. So there you know, I I just don't know that we have the ability to bring justice to those people to hold them accountable, but we can certainly it it, you know, it doesn't mean vengeance. It just means, for me, it just it's that moving forward and continuing to listen to how how I'm led. I consider the state not being of, like, not going to so I didn't go to jail. I didn't get put in a psychiatric facility, which they tried to do. And we're still we're still alive. And I'm like, that's awesome because our forefathers, when they fought for freedom, most of them died. So we're we're still doing pretty good. 1: You're so right. Gail and I talk about that all the time that justice means different things to different people. And, you know, sometimes it it's it's what you said, and sometimes it is getting accountability from the doctor or accountability from the hospital or the accountability from the government or the 1 that created or unleashed the virus. It just means different things. It may be mean helping people that, you know, you've saved so many lives. I mean, it does mean different things to different people and, you you know, just whatever your perspective is. And we just, you know, wanna help people get that. And I know all you guys do too, and and you wouldn't be on this space if if you didn't care. So, yeah, thank you, Scott. You've been another 1 of the true heroes in this movement, and we're so grateful, to be in this fight with you. 19: Ditto. I mean, again, just I'll stop after this, but for so many justice for what you guys have done, just so many hundreds and hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of people having a platform to share their stories, to know that they're not being gaslit, and to have people like you and Gail, and so many others that have have chosen to sacrifice the time to listen to them and and collect their their stories and their that message, that's a huge, huge healing component for so many people. I mean, it's amazing what you guys have done. 1: I mean, our our our whole team is I there's way too many to to to even be able to to repeat, but and then everybody that we work with, like, all the other organizations. We will stand with any organization and and any group, and we will help them and partner with them however we can because, like I was saying before, 1 big voice is a lot more effective than a lot of little voices. But just, you know, just other people that we've met along the way that are in it to run it and and to bring back humanity and justice. I see Catherine, Huey Gazan. She's been an amazing warrior, creating the attorney counsel the freedom counsel for an attorney to have a landing pad to learn how to fight these cases. Just everybody. Everybody. All of our interviewers and our team and the doctors, the you know, everyone that comes to the rallies. It's just it's just, it brings me to tears. I'm so inspired by everyone's passion and determination. And, you know, I think 1 thing that they didn't realize is that Kat was right. They overplayed their hand, and they didn't realize how how bad we are gonna fight back. I mean, I don't know why they thought that we would just roll over. I mean, we're Americans. When we're attacked, we fight back. This is not North Korea. And, so they you know, when you piss off thousands and thousands and thousands of widows and mothers and fathers and sons and daughters on American soil, you better look behind your back because we're coming for you. 12: Hey, buddy. Doctor, 1: Sonny Sonny had his hand up real quick. Go ahead, Sonny. 21: I'll try to be quick. Yeah. Thanks for the opportunity anyway, just get a little background. My name is Sonny. I'm prior military. And, hey, I wanna get this out of the way. Anything I I express here does not reflect, the opinion of the, or the the position of the United States government or the Department of Veterans Affairs. I, I've been, working adjudication of, VA compensation claims, and I'm a raider for about 6 years now. And, this battle started for me with, back in, you know, 2021, with the, my employer, you know, not providing me with, due process on a religious exemption to the vaccine mandate. And, so I ended up I'm I'm not here with, officially with the Veterans Medical Freedom, but I've done a lot of work with them. Very, very active on veteran matters and VA matters. And basically, what it's turned into and I wanna kind of speak to is, I believe doctor Allen has talked about the sophistication of this, evil and the attack that we're dealing with, and I can I can definitely, sympathize with that with my experience? The first thing I want to speak to on the matter of Veterans Affairs is, you know, I believe there there's a attempt to well first I'll start off with, just the general my observations with the Department of Veterans Affairs. I believe there's an institutionalized vaccine advocacy bias, right, that leads to dismissive attitudes regarding matters of, informed consent, religious liberty, privacy, and free speech. And, that's been my experience. And, first off, when I I I get my health care, I or I used to get my health care at the VA, and, I was, I had my VA doctor use, you know, very inappropriate course and to try to get me to take the injection. Spent a lot of time doing that and and, I was very concerned with the that. That was my first experience. I didn't take the shot, but, but, I was very concerned that, a lot of people would and, and and not being given proper informed consent and being unreasonably pressured. I made complaints to my chain of command. On down the line, I, I identified issue when with the rollout of the PACT Act. And it's it's complicated, but it's a provision called, toxic exposure risk activity of the PACT Act. And, basically, in in in the simplest way I'm gonna put this is, the VA rolled out unprecedented ability for, veterans to seek out service connection under the provisions of the prac deck for toxic exposures for unexplained disabilities. At the same time, they injected the entire military and 4500000.0 veterans with, this the shot. And, 1 interesting thing that you could understand about that is, you know, being, I'm involved with the VA a lot of times people seeking, you know, I I do a lot of foyer request and look into a lot of things. So they'll say, well, hey. You know, how did the compensation claims go up, you know, after they started giving the shots? And I was like, well, it's very interesting because, you know, they, they rolled out unprecedented legislation. Right? To have unexplained disabilities, service connected for toxic exposure right after the shot. So despite the fact that where you see it, dramatic increase in claims, you know, it's just gonna be contributed to the new legislation. But what's also interesting about this is is that, they, they, it's a toxic exposure risk activity and a lot of people are asking questions within the VA. Well, we can, you know, we can, not only are there presumptive locations, but, you know, VA employees, claims processors are able to concede toxic exposure based on their, subjective understanding of MOS, and they're supposed to be extremely, liberally construe what a toxic exposure is. I've seen, you know, cooks, basically any occupational even I've seen people could get, toxic exposure, conceded from, VA employees just from the fact that they fired a weapon, which is basically everybody in the in the military due to the, you know, if you can articulate a toxic exposure for about any MOS, that's how liberal it is. Right? However, the VA specifically excluded vaccination stating there's no scientific and medical evidence that supports the conclusion there's long term effects of vaccines. Right? So, obviously, you can see that any, residual fallout of from these long terms would be, like, obscured, and I believe complaints out and I have whistleblower complaints and, 12: you 21: know, several organizations have been very helpful and then, you know, it's in the right hands. But, I always like to take the opportunity to kind of inform people what's going on in that. And, also, since we're dealing with that, another issue, is with the VA data specifically. The VA has their own adverse event, you know, system. And you might be surprised if I were to ask, why haven't anybody in this room seen that data yet? Well, I've been trying to get I've been trying to get that for a long time. Yeah. They're not they're not being very open with it. But 1 thing, folks need to know is, veterans that received the shot, at a VA medical center, are actually eligible for compensation if they were injured and, free medical care. But it's under a a law called, title 38 USC 11 51, and nobody knows about it. And, what I do know from my internal sources is that there is a a and and FOIA's I've received. It is there's a dramatic, disparity or, you know, it's not there's a lot more injured veterans than there are claims. Okay? Like, way more. Like, I think there was several thousand in the system and only, like, 30 veterans have done claims. And so, you know, the VA needs to, reach out to veterans and, let them know that they're eligible. Or if you know a veteran, if you run into 1, that, was injured by the vaccine at the VA Medical Center. They need to go ahead and file the claim. They can reach out to me, but also we need to, you know, you know, reach out to, our legislators and anyone else that you can tell about that issue because it's just a very simple matter of the the veterans all need to be informed that, they have that option available to them. Anyway, I'll close out there because I I could talk all day. 1: Well, thank you for your service, number 1, and, thank you for being in this fight with us. We do need to connect. Also, I'm connected with a group called Operation Truth that works with the vaccine injured in the military. I don't know if you're already, 21: connected with I'm very well familiar with you. Yeah. 1: Yeah. With Sarah Boyd. But, yes, I'm so so glad that you were able to come on and find us, and, I hope to to to, connect with you off the space too and maybe share some resources and stuff. Thank you so much. 17: Operation 0: Truth is the, nonprofit that is organizing the DC rally. So I'm associated with them too as the the lead coordinator through Operation Truth. 1: You know, it's it's unbelievable that they would push this on our soldiers, you know, that protect our country with this experimental, you know, genetic vaccine. It just it's a threat to our national security and everything else, and it's just really scary. 21: Speaking of that, I'd like to mention something else in in that I've came up real quick before I drop off. I, I have acquaintance that's a a retired flight surgeon, but they were in back in September 2021. And, 1 thing is is, like, a lot of the things that we're learning about the vaccines that that are all of a sudden, you know, they're saying it's just old, recent information. I I've actually got letters in my possession that they were from forming a flight surgeon, you know, informing their chain of command of their concerns in detail prior to that, yet they still forced injected all of the pilots. We 1 of the big problems that we have and people need to understand is the whistleblower process is broken. They require people who are inherently credible. They're requiring, like, far more evidence than would would be expected. I mean, 1 of the the key things about the whistleblower processes is, people in the position, that, you know, are professionals and have, you know, know, a certain intuitive ability to, warn, you know, should have the ability to, bring matters up. And those matters should be properly investigated. And and that's clearly not what occurred here, you know. Whistleblower voices were suppressed. There were people trying to stop this from happening, and I think that, we really, need to, kind of identify those people and bring that to light because, the suppression of speech and the, you know, the failure of the whistleblower process, really exacerbated the, the the harm that occurred. 1: That that's so true. Our founder is a former federal prosecutor of 21 years, and he got out of government because of the corruption. And now he's working on, an amnesty leniency program that will encourage whistleblowers to come forward and where we can create a humanity restoration panel where we can advocate for for, leniency or or, amnesty if they, come disclose what they know because we're gonna need them to fight these cases and fight this battle. So and they need to be protected, and they need to get this off their conscience and and do that. So we're working on that as well. We have a we have a lot of projects going. 2: May I ask a question? 1: Sure. 8: Quick question. We're maybe Sonny knows. Lieutenant colonel Theresa Long, she might be considered a whistleblower back a year and a half ago where she was, you know, keeping back, you know, some flight folks because they were ill, you know, from secondary to the shot. Is there any word on if she's still involved in this movement of helping? 1: I believe she is. 8: Just wanted to ask. 1: Yeah. I believe she is. 21: I follow her on the x, but that's not even the, the there's another, flight surgeon in our group that I just sent me a letter that's pretty extensive. And, also, you know, it brings up a lot of the stuff that's, coming out. Well, I thought it was very interesting because, she was pretty keen on pointing out some of the things that, are are true about the shot now and things that we're learning that are that are problematic within her a pretty extensive letter. She sent it to me because I'm within the VA. I'm just trying to figure out how best to handle the situation, but I was just amazed that, she could put that information out, and they would just still, you know, just frankly just ignore her and, and and continue to inject people without without addressing the issues. 1: It it's just it's I'm sitting here listening to all this, and it's just so overwhelming how many ways that they've used this well orchestrated plan to attack us from our medical system where we're afraid to go to doctors or the hospitals to our national security because of, the military being injected to to every every I mean, schools, the forced vaccines. I mean, it's just nobody knows who to trust anymore, and it's just like every time you turn around, there's another area of your life that has been affected by this by this plan, this evil plan. And, we really gotta stand up and realize how we're gonna fight to get this back in order. Like, every system we have is broken. Every agency has been captured. 8: You know, I keep thinking of The United States Of Pfizer and The United States Of Moderna. I wanna throw up. 1: Right. Right. I 12: I don't know. Sorry. 1: That's alright. I agree. Doctor Trucker, you requested to say something? 18: Yeah. I'm I'm from Canada. 1: Oh, hi. 18: How are you doing? 1: Y'all y'all systems are broken too. 18: Yeah. Unfortunately, yeah, when the vaccine creeped into Canada, our government, our doctors, our prime minister was saying that the vaccine was safe and effective, and they're still pushing it. 7: Yeah. 18: We, started a convoy up in Ottawa. They froze my bank account for 39 days. I interviewed, firemen, police, people that were, lost their jobs, people that were coerced. Like, I couldn't go into a theater. I couldn't go into a store in New Brunswick. They tried to do that. They had a big rally, and then they stopped it. But the the tyranny that our prime minister put us through is unbelievable. The hatred that he divided our country, telling us that we were grandma killers, baby killers if we didn't take this vaccine, and they're still pushing it for this winter. 1: Oh, yeah. 18: They just they haven't stopped. So you guys really, really need to speak up for us and let them know that this vaccine that came into Canada from The United States is not safe and effective. And it does injure people and it does kill people. 12: Yep. Because 18: and I'm now being sued for $400,000,000 for being 1 of the protesters, you know. Is that 1: all for being in a protest where you're exercising your freedom of speech that is for him? 18: We we don't have freedom of speech in Canada. No. Not like you guys. Like, you guys have no idea what we went through here. I I know you went through your own because I watch your news all the time, but we have no freedom of speech. They monitor our YouTube now, our Internet. They'll basically knock on your door. 1: Yeah. We better get our act together or we'll get with me right behind you guys. 18: Yeah. Let me 4: They aren't marching. We'll we'll be marching 18: over there with you if we can get across and help with you guys 12: because Thank you. Thank you for mad me. 1: Thank you for being a, a fighter in this in this fight for medical freedom and, freedom of speech and all of our freedoms that they're involved 18: closely. We're we're we're actually trying to get over there. We're selling our house. We're trying to figure out how we can get into The States because, I mean, you guys are just on on tune now. You guys you figured it out. Right? And here, we can't our judges are crooked. Like, it's unbelievable, guys. 1: Wait. We're we're real close behind you, unfortunately. But, yeah, we're we're gonna keep on trucking until didn't no pun intended. Keep on trucking until we get there. 18: Thanks a lot, guys. I appreciate it. 1: Yeah. Thanks for sharing. Yeah. Okay. Gail just text me. OCC made a joke. I thought it was I didn't even mean to. It was kinda funny, though. Anybody else wanna say something or have any questions for the doctors or, anybody else for us? Go ahead and raise your hand if you do. We are gonna try to do these every Saturday night. I I think we're going with Saturday, or does has that changed you guys? Andy or Gail or Chelsea. And I will try to have on, you know, some some experts and doctors and attorneys and, media, nurses, authors as as best I can. Chelsea said either Friday or Saturday night. So just follow us on Twitter, and we will we'll post the links. And we hope that you kind you know, this this group grows and grows and grows so we can really get the word out because, you know, raising awareness is more than half this this fight. Our founder always says they may have the money and the power, but we have the people. And when the people rise up, you know, we'll win. So it's just a matter of educating the public because a lot of people don't even know what's going on in, in the hospitals. They don't even know anybody, which is shocking. I don't I don't I think they probably do know someone that's vaccinated. They just don't know who's the vax. So we, we don't they're so brainwashed by the mainstream media, which is all propaganda, basically, in my opinion now. Laura. Let me you can unmute yourself. Is it Laura? It is Laura. Yeah. 6: Hi. I'm I'm, I was vaxxed injured by the Pfizer vaccine, first shot. I'm thinking about getting e r 87 27 tattooed on my wrist. But I have horrible neuro I had 10 days after the shot, just the I I couldn't feel my feet anymore. 1: That's my sister. Exactly. She couldn't feel her feet. She's back yep. 0: And I and 6: I still can't feel my feet. And, you know, going to the doctors was just horrible. You know? They look at you like you're crazy. 11: And Mhmm. But they they didn't look 6: at you like you're crazy. I could see the fear in their eyes. They didn't they didn't want they couldn't do it. They were afraid they're gonna lose their license. 1: Yeah. Moral courage, it comes to back to you again. Yep. 6: Anyway, I've got an interesting thing happened to me. In May, I got a pretty severe, bronchial infection, which I think was, CSV, but they don't test you for that. But, I ended up getting during this course, over about 3 weeks, I ended up getting 3 steroid shots. And when I got the shots, the the feeling in my feet came back for, like, 2 to 3 days. Oh, wow. So 1: Oh, yeah. That's 3: You know? 6: Good. Good good news, bad news. Anyway, I got an appointment with my neurologist on Tuesday, but 11: I'll be interested to see what he has. 6: I I was kinda, like, wondering, if any of the doctors had anything to say about the neuropathy thing and steroids being a a possible cure even though we know we can't take them long term, I guess. 1: Doctor. Baine or doctor Wicher? 7: Pardon me? 1: I was asking if the doctor's new. You can definitely contact doctor Bain at doc in the loop dot com. He does treat vax injured and and licensed in 16 states. So 0: I I might be able to help with an explanation with that. The vaxx causes a lot 6: of 0: information neurologically, in your nervous system, in your muscle system, basically every system. And when you take a steroid, it calms that down. So then, therefore, that that swelling and that inflammation is less, and then that in turn helps with the nerves functioning more correctly. So that's why you probably had success with the steroids. 6: Yeah. I mean, it it was treating something else. This was just a 8: side effect. I was like, 2: oh my god. I can feel my feet again. 11: Because I'm gonna call them. 0: Steroids, have been, 1 of the, first line, treatments for vaccine injuries because of the the, inflammation that it causes. Of course, I'm not a a doctor. I'm just speaking from my experience. I am a nurse. But, it it it just is 1 of those first things that they give you to see if it reduces that inflammation in the nervous system. 1: If you wanna be 6: There was a doctor on 1 of the groups Twitter, and she said, well, that's good news because that means that your nerves aren't dead. Right. Right. There's a there's a possibility of bringing them back. 0: Correct. We 8: have we have we 13: I'm sorry. 0: In my situation, steroids, they don't do anything because mine are just obliterated. So They 6: they sound like it kicked 0: your ass. 6: Yeah. I'm I'm so sorry. 0: Yeah. Doctor Bain is on here. I'll let him speak. 8: That well, you know, there are protocols that we've tried, you know, you know, the FL triple c usually uses lot of times, ivermectin has neuromodulating effects. This drug, there's an article written in Nature, and I used it for 1 of my, when I was doing expert witnessing, within the for the acute COVID. This this this drug has 20 different mechanisms of action, and 1 of them is to help the cytokine issues in people long COVID or problems with the neuro neurologic problems. It might be useful, not always. It's it's a go to if if there's an open minded doctor. 6: Right now? 8: We are talking about ivermectin. Yeah. And you could see it in the I k iRecover protocol for vaxx injured and vaxxed. Yes. Steroids is in there, of course. But, sometimes, you know, maybe even, you know, a month 6: airways are a temporary solution. Is that correct? 8: Yeah. They are. They are. And, well, sometimes even ivermectin is temporary, but it has neuromodulating effects. So you need somebody to work with who will try all of these different modalities. Some people 1: Contact doctor Wayne's website. He can help probably can help you. 8: I I would I'll definitely try for you. That's what I've been doing. Yeah. So yeah. Doc.com. 4: I do apologize for the blinds. 8: Thank you. 0: Doctor Ben's your guy. Yeah. 1: Let's see. Michelle, Shell and then Michelle. I think that's right. Is it yeah. Michelle. 11: Okay. Thank you so much. This is the first time I've been on your space, and I appreciate your space and everyone who's on here. I worked on a surgical nursing floor. I also have 3 3 sons serving in the military, and I got the vaccine Pfizer, and I'm injured from it. I have the chronic inflammation demyelination, polyneuropathy. I have vascular issues, tremors, tinnitus, and much more that goes along with it. But, I took it because I needed to see my son that was coming to report. And from it, 40 minutes after the second dose, I became sick. And I see an immunologist and neurologist. I see 2 other doctors. And I just celebrated 27 months of sitting in an infusion clinic, getting IVIG infusions. I sit there for 6 hours being infused. I'm angry. My work has erased me. They're trying to take my disability away and my insurance. I'm fighting with them going through the EEOC. They've locked me out of my patient portal. My billing records, everything. I do see, a specialist outside because my hospital said that vaccine injuries don't exist. I was told I'd be written up if I told any patients or other employees that I would was vaccine injured. And, actually, I did get written up because the doctor asked me how I was doing. I was floated onto another floor at the nurse's station. I answered him, and the charge nurse decided to tell my supervisor, so I was written up. I have an email where they sent me and said if I told anyone I'd be written up, so I have that and a few other corresponding things. But on top of it, I'm angry because the vaccine injured me. But my oldest son, he had to take the booster or Pfizer, the first shot was J and J to get back into The States. And he is seeing cardiologists and being treated because he has myocarditis. I'm angry because he's in the all 3 of my sons had to take the vaccine. I'm angry because of what the hospital did erase me and it doesn't help that the government has erased us and they treat us like they don't care. And we need solutions, we need help. We've been left with the financial burdens, and most of us have lost everything. I speak out very freely. I've had to put in a complaint with the EEOC, and I play plan to go after my hospital and speak out and do as much as I can to help anybody else that's vaccine injured. But I just wanted to thank all of you for speaking up and helping us. And if there's anything I can ever do for you, I'd be glad to help you. But there's many people like me. And we've got to put 2: a stop to this. 11: And I just wanted to thank you for having this, this Twitter space or x space, whatever they call it now. 1: I know. Right? Thank you for coming on, and, I'm so sorry that happened to you. And we'll be praying for you, and connect with me. So follow me or whatever so we can get your story documented in our in our database that's grown over a thousand people's stories that's been injured by this by the hospital protocol and the jabs. Like I said, they're gonna get you with 1 of them, but they're gonna try to get you. The Michelle Harpens, the snoot spray, so if you get COVID, I I just I saw the are, and I know a lot of people that are sick actually right now, but there's supposedly a new variant on the loose, you know, spreading wildly to use their big, you know, propaganda and, fear campaign across the country. And Michelle owns a company called Snoot Spray, and it uses chlorine dioxide to kill all the viruses and bacteria and all that stuff in your nose. And it's it's really great. So you can get them on Amazon or on snootspray.com. But, anyway, go ahead, Michelle. 14: Hey. Cece, thank you so much. Again, just, you know, like everybody before me, I I am blown away at the stories, and the situations that all of you have experienced. I mean, it it really is it is horrendous. And, you know, we're trying to do everything our on our end that we can do to also share your stories, and get the word out there. So we are we're we're more than happy to support in any way that we can. So 1 of the things that I we we're actually Cece and I have been working on a couple projects. Actually, Kat Parker and I had spoken a couple months ago about, what we can do for this community for the vaccine injured. So we are working to get, to put together a program where any of the vaccine injured folks who are interested, we are pulling in together, folks from an organization called CommuSav, which, is a nonprofit that has been created about 2 years ago, from doctors primarily outside of The US who are huge advocates of chlorine dioxide. They, like so many other groups of doctors, when COVID hit, they all started talking to each other and said, you know, hey. You know, we know that chlorine dioxide is is a phenomenal, preventative that also, works in several different ways to actually, resolve some of these issues. And, so they've actually put together training programs and a network. And so we've been working with them to essentially set up a program where we can pull in US Doctors who, some of them already are familiar with chlorine dioxide. Some of them are are interested in it, but really need more information and need more case studies and need to learn more about it. So we're getting ready to actually launch that here in the next week or 2. But also, just kind of due to nature kind of what we've been involved in, we have, we've got another line of products that are they're actually, they're homeopathic and herbal, but they're in a super nanotized solution. And these are not on the market yet. There's about 50 or 60 different individual products. And, where we're at right now is we we we're literally just still working on labels, for them. But we have the products, and Caroline and I have been working together, to do this. And, I just put a note I put a link in, the chat feature. Any any of you folks on the call that are that are interested in trying these, these are we're just giving away a whole bunch of samples free of charge, and because we what we really need is feedback. You know, I've tried a lot of the products. They're they've they're kinda mind blowing, in in many ways, and I've had some doctors try it. I've had a lot of people try them over the last couple years, but we haven't really brought them to market yet. But, we've got I'll tell you just kind of, like, a quick overview of, the products that we have in stock that we're willing to send to you all, to to try out. Free of chargers. No strings attached. If it if it works for you, great. Let us know. If it doesn't, you know, no harm, no foul. But we really would like to get the feedback. But we've got 1 that is kind of a an aches and pain spray that is phenomenal for, neuropathic, foot problems. Some of those types of things, we've got 1 for stress and anxiety, 1 for hot flashes, 1 for I don't know. Carolyn, what else do we have? 1: Headaches. Headaches. Sinus issues. Like, you know, we we have to take our health care to you know, in our into our own hands right now. And, I love that these these products are completely, homeopathic and natural and just building there where there's 1 that builds your immune system. There I've tried them, and I think they're incredible. That's why I got on board with with helping Michelle because, people are scared to go to hospitals now. People are scared. And, you know, if we can build up our own immunities and and take care of ourselves, we won't have to completely smother the 4 doctors that we have. 12: If I can interject real quick, 1 thing I would love, to do, I'm putting together a little PDF that we can put on our website and also on my Twitter, and I'm gonna pin it to my Twitter. And it's basically what I take, to help kinda just be preventative with what's going on. And, you know, there's also vaccine shedding. Yeah. You know? So there's a formula that I use for that. So I'm gonna, post it. And if anyone who's following me, just keep your eye out for it. Okay? 1: Yeah. Let's, use some samples of the stuff too and see what y'all think because really, you know, I think we need to get out of big pharma's control and capture and and just big octopus arms around us because, you know, 1 prescription leads to another 1 and another 1 leads to another 1 until, you know, you've got 15 I go to my, in laws and the entire kitchen table is covered with prescriptions because 1 take now you need another 1 because of the side effects of the first 1, and it's just it's a never ending cycle, but, you know, that's what they're doing. They're building customers for life. There's no incentive for them to get us all well because then we wouldn't need Big Pharma. Right? And it's no surprise that, you know, the guy behind Big Farm, the family behind Big Farmer, the Rothschilds, is also founder cofounder of the Eugenics, foundation. So there's it they're not here to get us better. That's for sure. So it's kind of our responsibility now. But, yeah, go to Snoot Spray. Try that. Cloyne Dioxide. It's amazing, and, it'll help keep you, you know, from getting this other new strain or whatever, too bad. And we can also connect with you guys about trying out these products. Anything else, Jill? 14: Oh, I was just gonna say, you know, we've been on a lot of the calls, with CC on on Monday nights with the, the the COVID widows and widowers, and we've given away a ton of snoot spray. And if anybody's interested in getting I'm happy to send samples out free of charge. So shoot me a note in in, DMs, if if you'd like a sample. You know, we're we're really committed to to giving you all just some alternatives. And, you know, if the least we can do is help you breathe a little bit better, you know, it seems small, but it's surprising how many people, literally have, you know, just nasal congestion. And, as as, Cece mentioned, it's it's, it's a product that literally, in in vitro kills all viruses. Doesn't matter what the variant is, all bacteria, mold, fungus. So it's a great product to to really, you know, stay out of the hospital and, and keep yourself from getting bogged down by whatever the latest variant is. 7: Yeah. And So we're happy to do that. 5: The 1: doctor to have some in their clinics or or their practice and tell their patients. So I think, I'll send doctor Whittier and Mikados and Baines some samples. In fact, I overnighted a box of snow today to 1 of the attorneys that's working on has picked up lots of our cases. Oh, awesome. I talked to him this morning, and he's like, my throat's scratchy, and I I don't I have a headache. I'm like, what's your address? You're not getting sick on me. I mean Awesome. At night. Awesome. I I think we're 0: gonna have a vendor booth at the rally, miss Michelle, with your snoot spray. 5: If you're interested, let me know. 2: Oh, that'd be good. 14: Yeah. Absolutely. Yes. I'm I'm 12: gonna We'll do it. Order some snoot spray as well. It sounds pretty amazing. 1: Yeah. Watch the universal antidote. It's a pretty incredible documentary, and it talks about, what all it can do. But, yeah, it's it's good stuff, and, I'd I'm a total fan. Let's see. Who else has our hand up? Thanks, Michelle. Thank you. Mhmm. Anybody else? I can't I don't know if I can see everybody. But, gosh, we had a great turnout. Thank you so much for for coming and for listening, and thank you to our doctors and everybody else. I don't know if our resident virologist wants to add in anything, but we have got 1 on board too. Huckleberry, Gail's husband, the the stormer of the ICU. Do you have anything you wanted to add? She probably wants me to put you on the spot. Or any other, victims of the protocol, Catherine, anybody else, just please send a request if you do. If not, let's see. We've been going since. So 8 3 hours, pretty good. 0: I'm waiting to hear from a. She needs to come up and talk. 1: She's amazing. I'm so glad to to be working with her for sure and her we're getting together a a big landing pad for attorneys to learn how to fight these fight these cases. Oh, yeah. 8: Doctor Licatos. 1: Kyle, I I can't resist, Danny's request. 21: Hey. Sorry. 20: Are you there? Can you hear me? Okay. So, yeah, I didn't know if I I was pretty much listening the whole time. So, I mean, you guys really covered quite a lot. You know? I was gonna say a few things as far as some of the issues, why things aren't really in in moving forward. Well, I'm hoping thing you know, firstly, once I get my lawsuit filed, if people are interested, I can potentially send, you know, a copy if you wanna kinda look through it. It's and, there's there's a lot lot behind that, a lot to go into. I won't go into that whole story right now. But, but, yeah, as far as, in the hospital well, in the hospital, so Remdesivir, aka, that Clari is still kind of the, you know, pushed on everybody still. And it's, the hard part is, you know, with the media still against hydroxy and, you know, ivermectin and stuff, a lot of a lot of patients don't really know any better. And, you know, so it makes it difficult to kind of, you know, guide them besides, you know, especially if I'm the only 1 doing it because I'm usually, you know, the nighttime doctor admitting, you know, the new patients to the hospital. So the next day 1: Yep. We lost you. Can anybody hear him anymore? Can can y'all hear me? Just wondering if it's me or not. Andy, can you hear me? 12: I can. I can hear you. Yeah. 4: I was gonna hear you. 1: Doctor Locatos? No? 3: I think we lost I guess 12: I guess we got disconnected there. Anyone else maybe wants to chime in? 1: You notice every time we say Ivermectin, we lose somebody? Have y'all noticed tonight? 12: Isn't that crazy? 1: It's like, yeah. They're not listening. No problem. Catherine Catherine 2: just Catherine. Just joined us. Yeah. 1: Catherine gets about a hundred emails from me a day going, do you have the attorney here, or do you have attorney there? You should probably stick up my emails. Good, Catherine. Those those emails are great. I mean, I'm I'm working on it. We're we're slowly getting there. We're just getting up off the ground. But, I mean, I I really appreciate the this this call tonight listening in. I just I love listening to to what other people are talking about because there's so many pieces out there that are are are so critical to to really putting this all together. I really do think that all the pieces are there. We just need to just put them together right now in in a in an effective way. So thank you thank you for putting this on, and I'll I'll keep coming back. So Awesome. Thank you. I hope to see you well, I'm sure I'll talk to you tomorrow or Monday for sure. I mean Thanks. I don't know if we got doctor Lacottis back, but, anybody else? Do we decide if we're doing these on Fridays or Saturdays, Gail or Chelsea or Andy? 12: I I believe Saturdays are what we wanna do. I think Saturdays are great. 1: Okay. 12: So yeah. 1: Alrighty. Well, we will have them on our please follow all of us on Twitter, and we will post these every Saturday night. And we hope to see please invite people. Especially, I mean, we we always get a lot of people that are in the know. We need to get people that aren't in the know so we can let them hear everybody. Let them hear the doctors. Let them hear the victims. So, you know, this is raising I 1 of our members said, this year is the year of awareness, and I think that is so so important because we have to get the first of all, we'll we'll help save lives. We'll help keep people uninjured, and we'll get accountability for the people that have been. We also at our foundation, we have car magnets that go on your car. They say let's see. What is the what did they say? Did you drive from someone in the hospital? Let's see. COVID hospital death may not be from COVID, c h b m p dot org. That just, you know, just invokes a little curiosity in someone that thinks that their loved 1 died from COVID when, really, in actuality, it was the protocol. So that's 1 way that we're raising awareness. And, also, we have our medical alert bracelets. They're awesome. I have had mine on for over 6 months. It looks brand new because it's stainless steel and, silicone. And it says I'm allergic to remdesivir, and fentanyl. So by law, it's a, you know, medical legal directive. They can't give you these drugs. So we can actually stop the protocol ourselves. If everybody in the country had this bracelet on, they couldn't give it to anybody. But we know lots of lives it's saved. I've been to get my physical, and they immediately write in my chart, you know, allergic to these to these certain drugs. And, somebody asked me, well, how do you know that you're allergic to remdesivir? And I said, well, I'm allergic to kidney failure, and I'm allergic to death. So, you're welcome to try and see if you're allergic. Try and see if you're allergic. So they they kinda get it after that. Gail, Chelsea, anything else, Andy? 12: I I guess, maybe, just just before we tune out, if there's anyone else that wants to chime in and, say anything. If not, that's fine. Thank you everyone for coming. The the you know, if you wanna check out my website, if you haven't yet, death@taylor.com, at your convenience, go check it out. It's my story. It's an executive summary of what happened. This is a, this is a pattern that is happening all over The United States, and we're kinda like the final this is the final, you know, line in the sand. This is it. And, hopefully, all of our stories, CHBMP, my website, and other people using their platforms, this will be a reference point for the future of humanity, for the future generations, whoever go whoever survives this, whoever's coming up from this, you know, whenever a massacre happens, there's always survivors. So let's take the stories, archive it, let your voice be heard. Thank you for your time. 1: Yeah. The COVID 19 Humanities Betrayal Memory Project, the CHBMP.org, is a large searchable database where we put together their file folders of all the stories of hospital protocol deaths or vaccine injuries or vaccine deaths. In the case file, they have, the the, facts of what happened in the hospital. They have a written account of the what happened, and then we do a live video testimony and attach it to that. So anybody can go to that site and look at all the stories and stuff from your particular state. We also made, little baby sites for all the states of that project. So for instance, Texas is tx.chbandp.org. And so on Mississippi, ms.tx I mean, chbmp.org. 6: So mimi.chbmp.org. 1: Michigan. Mississippi's MS. Oh, great. 3: Right. But Michigan and New Jersey have been really active. So definitely check out mi.chbmp.org and nj.chbmp.org and t lose everyone 12: with audio? Am I the only 1 that can be heard at the moment? 1: Y'all can't hear me? 12: I can hear you. 5: Go ahead. 1: Yeah. We also have some billboards up in several states saying the same thing as our car magnets. And we had actually had a plane pulling a big, tail that says the same things, died from COVID in the hospital, may not be from COVID. And we had it fly over Jersey Sores about couple, couple weeks ago. We also are working diligently to find attorneys to represent everybody. You know, it's hard because, a lot of them you know, this is uncharted waters, and, you know, we do have the Prep Act, but we are finding ways around the Prep Act, by using the fraud as a cause of action and said, amend mal, which also has a longer statute in most states. Not like I said, not all, but most. And so I don't want anybody to lose hope. I I work all day every day trying to find attorneys for people. So we do have about 75 cases, I think, filed across the country in 6 different states, about to be 8 different states. So it's things are happening in the legal front. People are waking up in the medical front, and, people are stepping up to fight in the fighting front. So I think we're doing a a pretty good job, and I just wanna thank everybody that's that's came and all of our experts and our doctors and nurses and just everyone for standing up and speaking out because we we we got a big fight on our hands, but we can do this. So, anyway, again, thanks for coming, and please DM me if, you have any questions or wanna get in touch with us. 12: 1 last 1 thing 1 thing I'll chime in real quick. In the in the state of Texas, anyone who experienced this atrocity in the state of Texas, If the physician that did what they did to your loved 1 or you got up and left the state before the 2 years are up for wrongful death, the statute of limitations of Texas is 2 years. If that individual got up and left the state, that statute does not apply. I'm gonna say it again. That statute does not apply. You actually, you you you could wait 10 years and actually still take, litigation, or prosecute that individual. So I was I just discovered that. So just kind of food for thought there. 5: Thank you. 1: And I am working with, some people too on criminal cases. You know, only the state or the, government can can bring those charges, but there are some people behind the scenes that are working to prove these things. So, my point is don't lose hope, and we're gonna we're gonna try to get them as best we can. Alright. Thanks, guys. Thanks to the former feds team and, all the listeners, and we're glad to connect with everybody. Y'all have a good night. 3: Thank you so much, Cece. Good night. 12: Have a good night, everyone. Thank you. 1: Good night.